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A shooter killed 50+, and injured over 400 at shooting in Las Vegas. This was a well planed lone shooter attack. Shooter was found dead on the 32nd floor of a Vegas casino. 8 guns , 2 shooting platforms and video cameras to see the arrival of first responders were involved. Shooting occurred at the Mandalay Bay where a country and western concert was being held.
Still catching up on all of this. This man planned this out well before hand. He wanted as many dead before he followed through with taking his own life. It seems that large crowds of conservatives is now going to be target of choice. Just my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stg1swret
Just hope that this doesn't lead to tit for tat. Seems we're on the cusp of enough is enough. Stand ready for any new twist. My senses tell me the frog is getting hot in that boiling water.
The anti gun crowd will have a field day with this one. Watching video from the event, sounds like an automatic weapon was involved. They will of course call for tighter gun control, and weapons bans. Sad that so many innocents were killed and injured in a senseless case of violence. Prayers for all the families of those involved in this shooting.
I hope Kese wasn't anywhere in that area. I woke up to this shit this morning. Need a report from him............He needs to check in.
Say good-bye to the binary/bump trigger. That would be my guess as to what he used, "spray and pray" from an overwatch position. This wasn't rocket science, ducks in a barrel, no precision what so ever. Just another stupid fucker. I'll check in later have appts. @ VA today.......should be exciting to say the least.
Just a quick note, the crowd that was targeted was "Country"............chew on that.
I think "Country" had less to do with it, then the numbers of targets available. There has been little said about motive, since little is known about the shooter, and nothing about how long and where this event was promoted. The attack happened on the last day of the event during the performance of the last act. Jason Aldean has a large following, and this mutt waited until then to launch his attack. He intended and achieved maximum carnage. Had it not been for the quick response, (15 minutes by most accounts) the body and casualty numbers would have been much higher.
Here... getting sitreps from my people here in vegas.
This is gonna sound cold, but I have to admit that I"m surprised that Vegas hasn't been subject to this sort of crap earlier. Fking ISIS is taking credit...what a surprise.
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Originally Posted by Kesephist
Good to know you are OK. I don't think it sounds cold...I've been predicting this kind of thing for years. Low cost, no major investment like in 911 attacks. One person can take out many victims with one gun and plenty of ammo. I'm not saying this is ISIS related, but I'm not surprised they haven't done this themselves. Hide two assholes in a New York taxi, and they could kill hundreds driving around before getting caught. It would seem this is the new future we are facing. Taking away all the guns won't help, because a gun will always be available to someone who really wants to get one...just a little harder.
The internet is full with the left reporting the shooter was a typical mass shooter, being a white man, and the crowd was "typical country music republican supporters". And so it starts again.
the shooter came from a very strange gene pool - his father was infamous back in the 1960s - on the FBI Most Wanted List - on the run for 10 years - bank robber and conman ....
It didn't take the demoncrats long to start in on gun control. Shrillary and Pocahontas tweeted before the venue was even cleared of bodies. Then you have the truly deranged tweets by some media and others saying they weren't sorry this happened to country and western fans , as they were most likely republicans and voted for Trump. We have some very troubled individuals on the left living in our country. It is one thing to dislike a presidents policy, it is another to hate so vehemently a president and anyone who may have voted for them. The left and there progressive movement have done to the country, the same thing a Bavarian painter did to the German people before WW2. We are in some deep Kim-chi , and need to deal with the issue before things get further out of hand.
Ok, I'm back and don't really have much to say, except you guys are all right on all accounts.
But then there's ......LadyHK was insistent on me listening to the recorded "gunfire" saying it was full auto. (had to wait till we got home, about 1830)When I first heard it in the morning I said it sounded like a binary trigger or bump fire but was leaning with the binary because of how fast it was. And that I would have to hear it again, well she heard it more times than I did and she said it was full auto, So that's how my day went all the way to the VA and all the way back........I still like my binary trigger theory after hearing it again. But the real answers will come out later when and if they give a list of his inventory. Either way the SOB's dead, no tax payer money will be wasted on courts and injustice.
Don't forget to take time to think about the dead and wounded. These were innocents, these were Americans.
Hey, take it easy on the "Frog" references your gettin a little personal. I like my fins just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle326
Body by Fischer, Bronzed by the Gods! Or 170lbs of raw Tiger meat wrapped around a titanium frame..........well I still got most of what that used to be anyway, he, he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Sorry chief. Just thought of your post above and figured your fins were good to go. :confused:
I think he is referring to the "boiling a frog" metaphor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
"If you put a frog in boiling hot water, he will jump right out. But if you put him in calm, cool water and gradually turn up the heat the frog will not realize what is happening and by the time the water is boiling, it is to late for the frog to react."
This being the general description on how those scoundrels that presume to pronounce on us all this gibberish have been getting away with it...a little at a time, here and there.
"Wrong" the Frog does realize what is happening but because we have such high tolerances for pain we just don't give a fuck because the mission comes 1st. Concealment! ........even if it kills us. So endeth the lesson.
Anyway I expect the bump stocks, slide-fires and shit don't mention binary they haven't got that far yet. To go off the shelves, prices raised, etc. So the gun parts manu. guys get more sales, the politicians got a new dead body to trample on for gun bills. We don't need them banning shit again they've already banned sinkers so ya can't fish in california. Enforce the laws on to books for once.
Oh, and don't forget to buy your toys NOW cause Hanukkah and Christmas is right around the corner! And it sounds like they're gonna raid the North Pole!
True Dat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Both the 82nd. & 101st. Airborne taught me that you hold the line until victory or death. And if we were to die holding the line that we were to go out fighting because more of my brothers were on the way. And they have a bad attitude and are about to open a unrelenting can of Whoop Ass on those who sent us to Valhalla.
Damn!!!; Nothing like going out as a corpse covered in brass. :D
So many of the KIA in Vegas came from SoCal. I think it was 19 were from the LA area alone. Every time I have been in a group of people someone either has a family member or is friends with some who was wounded or killed. One close friend's daughter was at the concert and she had not contacted home for over 12 hours. Her phone got lost at the concert. I suppose the kid had never heard of borrowing a phone or a pay phone?
Of course all the various conspiracy theories are making the rounds now. That POS had certainly planned his attack.
Just talked to my SIL in Vegas, family is all okay. However, SIL told me the woman and her daughter that had been saved by the gentleman that covered them with his body is my nephew's fiancee's Aunt and Cousin. Aunt caught shrapnel in her face from the bullets but is doing well after surgery and her cousin was not hurt physically, emotions obviously are all over the place right now. The gentleman's son was on the local news and the "Today" ? show talking about his dad and what he did. One of my nieces in AK has customers that had family there at the time. Their members are still in LV being interviewed by the LEO's . I caught a snippet of a news item that the jerk tried to shoot out gas storage tanks to blow them up but haven't seen anything else yet. Has anyone heard that?
A few rounds hit the jet fuel storage tanks near the venue. It is anyone's guess whether it was intentional or not. I would posit, that if he intended to set them ablaze, he would have concentrated more fire at them. This POS planned his attack well. High ground, open field of fire, and a rudimentary alarm system to warn him of detection.
His gf knows a lot more then she has told the FBI, but she has a good lawyer. It is what she hasn't said that holds the key to what happened. This guy is pretty much a blank sheet of paper. Eventually, someone will let something slip. There is much more here then meets the eye.
Agreed. gf needs to be locked in a room with nothing but pictures of the 58. And she needs to have her background checked. Hard. Same thing with the lawyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stg1swret
French cops have a unique method of interrogation... garde a vie, I believe they call it. For 72 hours they can ask anything, say anything... they can't touch the suspect, but the suspect can't leave.
The "original" Mr. "T" starter kit. Hoo-Yah brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle326
My point is that in the words of "preparedness" they cannot pass a bill banning "just one" gun, piece, part, application, "kinda looks like" all by it self! There will be a whole lot of other shit they will want to take away/enforce on law abiding American Gun Owners. Watch for it, all they need is their foot in the door. Kinda like that guy marries guy thing. Now they can marry their sister, dog, self and various other shit they can come up with, bathrooms....... This a "we still want to take things away from you" issue we are talking about here. 2nd Amendment rights are gonna get chipped away at little by little. It wasn't the "bump-stock" that killed those people. Keep that in mind......just....my roll-a-quarters.
Of this you're right on. Watch so called republicans that side with democrats and you'll see the hidden wall of mis- peak being used. They will use different wording but the lyrics will be the same. Same song different vocalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Having the patience of Job they will as you say load up many articles and see how many they can get right now, Then after the next incident will go for the rest. I wouldn't be so skeptical but a majority of people are dumbed down and some out right retarded by virtue of the fact that they cannot process a clear thought on their own.
This man shot up a venue of probably 70 to 90% conservatives like fish in a barrel . Somewhere someone is hoping to ignite the fire to get gun owners to do something stupid in order to lay out a case for total gun control even though it will probably cause a 2nd. Civil War. But to them the ends justifies the means.
Only problem is the blow back they'll get that they didn't count on and make no mistake ; if that fuse gets light it'll be unlike anything we've seen in our journey so far.
Just my 2 cents
Ride low and drive on
Should the general public, and non= nprepper gun owner agree to their agenda, when ATF shows up , repeat after me, " I lost my guns when in a canoe crossing the lake", let them go and find them.Admit to nothing, deny, and counter accuse.
They are coming for our guns, it is just a matter of time. By theway as an aside, railroad tracks area great caching/hiding spot, impossible to detect a gun/rifle, due to all the spikes and metallic trash along them.
Sorry, I had a giggle moment. Sittin there waiting by the tracks for someone to dig up their stash. "Thank you very much, have a nice day", "Oh here's one pistol and a bullet, choose wisely." (good luck finding the right spot) But yes, great Idea, miles and miles of RR tracks across the country and plenty of metal all around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stg1swret
As for "gun grabbin" I think the day when that comes there will be a "shot heard throughout the country" it will be the beginning of a ah situation I believe. There's too many. However the politicians are jumping all over this tragedy and could give two shits about the dead and wounded. There's a shit storm amidst and they ain't sailors. OK enough of that.
Just keep your eye on the ball people, also the third baseman. and right field. Head on a swivel, catcher's got your ass. No umpires, britches are loaded. Wipe your ass, carry-on.........remember, you're number one, you got point, mission comes first. :o
I'll take point as long as you got my 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Got your 6 brother, any time, any place!Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle326
Hey, step aside, I always take the lead. Always 1st up the ladder. You just got to hear the thoughts in my head again. You can't just take that as face value when I'm talking to myself. That's just bullshit man..........
Either way, I think we're a merry lot.
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By the way I haven't been paying to much attention to the news, recently heard something about a screwed up timeline and another employee reporting the incident.
There has been more "chages" to this from so many different places it's crazy. Heard yesterday that with local cops and FBI crawling all over his house it also got broke into. How the hell did that happen?
L try and post up an article on here tonight I found on zerohedge.com guy wrote about all the stuff that just don't fit the story that's out there.point by point.
Well my being an E-5 when I got out and you being Chief I'll defer to your rightful place to lead and I'll be where ever you place me. AIRBORNE SENIOR CHIEF!!!!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
That's Senior Chief to you, I did make it to E-8, just wasn't politically correct enough for E-9, no real Master Chiefs really left anymore. They're all E-9's now. Buncha butt sharks.
Went back and fixed my previous post senior chief. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Too old to be falling down steps or walking into walls. That's one of the reasons I got out in 1973. You could see it coming with the voluntary service thing. I knew then my mouth and actions would get my ass in trouble. Was offered next E-6 stripe to stay in but knew it wouldn't be worth the bullshit.
Yes, the time line is screwed, yes there was a second hotel employee who arrived, and the perps house was broken into. I still maintain the perps gf knows much more than she has told anyone. The time line issue is a big one, as it will establish liability for all the law suits that will be coming out over this incident. MGM resorts, the LVPD and the concert promoter's are already named in at least one lawsuit. There are interesting questions and problems with two of the three times lines I've heard. Two of them make little sense. Have not figured out why no one was guarding the house that was broken into, unless of course it had been thoroughly searched and processed. Even at that, it hasn't been that long since the event, that it would be deemed no longer a location of interest and released to anyone. FBI and the local PD should still be watching it until then.
Here is a link to the shooting analysis story I mentioned yesterday.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...oting-incident
The time line has changed again. The Zerohedge article is pretty precise. There is a lot that doesn't add up. The GF and the brother, are both with-holding information. I'd sit on the GF and keep allying pressure on her. She has the key to this whole event. The brother knows something, but not half of what the GF does.
Doesn't matter, it's alright with me. I was just being me. Nobody really knew my paygrade here (on site) anyway. I never thew it around in the Navy either. You earned it back in my day........and then.....things started to change. But that's another story. I "toe-ed" the line as often as necessary and crossed it when I had to. You got out when we needed you the most, you coulda been training guys like ME! Uuuuuuh bad Idea..........he, he.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle326
Back to the topic at hand, seems pretty quiet lately, I have read and heard a lot of theory, all plausible. Fact remains they will only tell us what they want to tell us. I see one sheriff that looks like he's carrying the weight of the whole country on his shoulders, I see an FBI guy that looks shifty as shit. Since the first time I laid eyes on him, I knew that he just rubs me the wrong way. It's like when you know somethings not right about a person the first time something comes out of their mouth, matches the way they look, you know you don't trust that fuck. Something's not coming out. Just my roll-a-quarters.
You got out when we needed you the most, you could've been training guys like ME! Uuuuuuh bad Idea..........he, he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownwater Riverrat 13
Training guys like you who think like the old brown boots would have been an honor. Cause I know my 6 would have been covered. Now as to how many hours I'd be before company commander explaining your exploits would be a challenge but one I'd relish. I really wanted to do 20 to 30 years as I was 17 when I went in 1968. But hearing some of the lower ranks and even upper ranks speak about how they could change things just scared the shit out of my view of a viable fighting force.
Back on topic ; I noticed how the sheriff was nervous and stuttered at times . When he keep repeating no conspiracy my neck hairs stood up. If you have to keep repeating certain phrases it tells me someone is on over watch to make sure company line is towed. Also stating that the time line is fluid and can change many times over the investigation. Sounds like the never ending story book. As for the F.B.I. ; well we all know how that works. I'm no Sherlock Holmes but something smells to high heaven.
Sheriff Joe lost one of his people in this perfidy, and it would not be a surprise in the world that part of his briefing packet had 9x12s of his family members captioned "Be a shame if something happened to them." or equivalent. Poor sod, to be put in such a grip.
And the lackwit media is going on about the fuel tanks. Not only bought-n-paid-for, but STUPID and bought-n-paid-for.