Shovel Showdown

I have an old *I think* German surplus entrenching tool from 1964. Think I picked it up at Cheaper Than Dirt before I officially boycotted them for mass idiocy.

I thought it might be interesting to compare it to it's full sized cousin. Common sense dictates that the larger shovel head, combined with a longer lever, will make the task of digging that much easier. The question was...how much easier.

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Here are the combatants. Standard rack-grade spade from Home Depot on the left. Been in my arsenal for 7 or 8 years at least and has dug many a hole. On the right is the old-school entrenching tool. It comes in a leather case with buckles and sports a pretty standard maple type wooden handle. It has both a spade/shovel head and a pick portion as shown below.

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The head pivots up/down around a spring loaded pin. The pin is partly round and partly square. The square portion locks the shovel. pick into position, the round allows it to move.

Pretty standard stuff.

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The field of battle, AKA the dirt patch near the back of our yard. It's on a slope so I steal dirt from it for other projects and the natural erosion refills everything for me.

The dirt right now is about .75" of dried crust and then soft, moist loose fill below it. We had a lot of rain this past weekend so it's not hard at all.

With the standard spade it took 17 spade fulls of dirt and about a minute of effort to mostly fill a standard sized wheelbarrow (shown in the first picture). With the 90F temps and 50% humidity I was starting to sweat by the time I finished and took the load of dirt where it needed to go (as part of a different project).

With the entrenching tool it took 35 spade fulls of dirt and nearly two minute of effort to mostly fill a standard sized wheelbarrow. Again, not a real shock here.

What made the entrenching tool a drag was the lack of lever. With the standard spade you used your back to drive the shovel, your leg/foot to sink the shovel into the dirt and then your back to lift the dirt (with the aid of a 5' lever arm). With the entrenching tool you have a 1.5' handle and everything is done with your upperbody/arms. What a drag. I was soaked in sweat, and it was pouring off my forehead by the time I delivered the dirt across the yard.

Damn.

I then took the shovels to a more compacted and harder part of the yard. With the spade it took a good thrust of the shovel and my full weight to drive the spade about 1/2" into the ground. With the entrenching tool it was all I could do to get a small crust of dirt onto the blade. If I had to dig a foxhole with that thing I'd be one tired troop by the time it was done.

Now, with the pick portion I was able to loosen up the dirt a little bit and after five or six swings be able to get approximately the same amount of dirt as the big shovel. But that was a whole lot of extra work to accomplish the same task.

So I guess the point of all this is that entrenching tools are cool and if was the choice between that and my hands to find safety from incoming rounds I'd kill the first SOB who tried to take it. But in a civilian SHTF event it's going to burn a lot of calories to use it for any sort of serious digging. If your SHTF event includes any form of travel, and your vehicle has any way to include a regular spade, I'd highly recommend including it in your kit.

I've been carrying the Glock E-Tool.

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Sounds to me like somebody needs to come up with a "takedown" shovel.
Comes apart to carry compactly, reassembles into a real working tool.

A take down shovel would have to be made of something pretty substantial to keep it from breaking. The long handles in a shovel (5' or so) has a lot of force exerted on them when in use. I have a lot of clay around the house and have broken a couple of hickory handles out since we moved here. I have went with fiberglass handles now and have yet to break one, but I don't trust them very much either. I will be stocking several replacement handles soon.

Stig, I'm not sure how well the short foldable shovel would work around here. I agree with your premise, to carry a true long handled shovel with you if at all possible.

Yeah, the not breaking part would be the tough part.

That's the part I had trouble with. :)

Ever noticed that tanks, and other military vehicles always had full sized tools? I feel your pain on e-tool digging for sure. Better than using one's hands but not quite a shovel. If the sun wouldn't ruin them, I'd have a set on the roof of the truck at all times. I keep full sized tools for a vehicle INCH bug out, but I have a trifold shovel just in case at all times.

Maybe it was designed for tight/small spaces where a full sized shovel could not get in to? If you were low to the ground and under brush a long handled one would be much harder to control whereas the small one would give you a better grip and well "lower center of gravity" sort of speak.

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Originally Posted by ladyhk13

Maybe it was designed for tight/small spaces where a full sized shovel could not get in to? If you were low to the ground and under brush a long handled one would be much harder to control whereas the small one would give you a better grip and well "lower center of gravity" sort of speak.

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Entrenching tools, such as the one I was using, of a military nature, are for the infantry. This gives them an implement to dig with and clearly they can't haul around full sized shovels. Thus the short handle. So yes, they were designed that way for a reason.

Every tool has it's purpose, and it's limitations. I carry one of these little guys:
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in my truck for an emergency shovel (and have one in the wife's car). But in the winter, I also add a full sized snow shovel.

Around my place I have a few inches of topsoil over an incredibly nasty white clay (red river gumbo). A small shovel like that, or the trencher would do nothing. In fact, a long handled shovel does next to nothing.

If I need to dig a hole, I need to use one of these to start, and then scoop it out:
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or, if I need a post hole, I have to use an auger. When I had the hole dug for my pond, the operator had to keep switching buckets. a small one with teeth to break up the clay, and then a big smooth one for scooping

That said, that little shovel has dug more than a few latrine holes with minimal effort while out camping, along with fire pits. I wouldn't want to pack a full sized shovel on a 10 day canoe trip, both for size/weight, and necessity, but that little one makes a few key jobs worth its weight.

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Originally Posted by The Stig

Entrenching tools, such as the one I was using, of a military nature, are for the infantry. This gives them an implement to dig with and clearly they can't haul around full sized shovels. Thus the short handle. So yes, they were designed that way for a reason.

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Also to clobber a fool too.

I always hated filling sandbags with etools.......

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You guys don't use pipes to fill sandbags??

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Originally Posted by Gunfixr

Sounds to me like somebody needs to come up with a "takedown" shovel.
Comes apart to carry compactly, reassembles into a real working tool.

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Iirc, there are military units who've done just that. Its still shorter than a standard shovel because they cut the handle down to fit it in a pack, but it has a full size shovel head. It and a D handle attach/ detach with bolts.

Awesome thread! Thanks for taking the time to put this together Stig.
I think this is the only place on the Internet, where you can get an in depth shovel/ETool comparo!!! One of the things that I love about this place is that my brain gets tricked into thinking about things that I never would have considered before.

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Originally Posted by slowz1k

Awesome thread! Thanks for taking the time to put this together Stig.
I think this is the only place on the Internet, where you can get an in depth shovel/ETool comparo!!! One of the things that I love about this place is that my brain gets tricked into thinking about things that I never would have considered before.

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Yes, I agree on the getting your mind working, problem is, I can't actually work enough to pay for all the stuff my mind is working on... Just the other day, I tried to dig a bunker under my house, my downstairs neighbors are PISSED! Lol.

Great point Slowz. Like AK said, I can't afford to act on all the things that come up on here that are fantastic ideas. Just gotta pick and choose. But the ideas keep coming, and several times I have figured out a less expensive way to do it, or even sometimes reuse something I already have to make it work.
Keep em coming folks!

I used to carry a small entrenching shovel in my car for emergencies. Over many years, I used it perhaps three times. Twice in snow conditions in the mountains and once to begin fighting a small brush fire in the local riverbed. I no longer carry it as there really is no decent place to keep it in a Ford Expedition. Been driving that car since Oct. of 2003 and have not needed it. Certainly I know the time could come when I need it. However that could be true for thousands of pieces of gear that none of us carry.