Okay folks here is a third link. This is grandpappy's index of how to survive hard times. He has some very interesting info on drug expiration dates, food preservation methods, and other practical topics. As with my previous 2 links, I urge you all to look at what is presented, take what you need and leave the rest, so to speak. No one place has everything you need, but you can put together a very good survival library by taking from each site. grumpy