Talk of riots

[4suchatimeasthis]

I have read a few things the last few days, here and there, suggesting the real possibility of riots in the next few weeks. We all know what and why, and since we don't discuss politics here, we don't even need to go there. The question is, or rather, questions are:

1) Do you think there is a real probability of riots?

2) If so, where (ex, inter cities, regions, certain areas but not others, etc)?

3) How would you be affected if said riots occurred? Do you have a plan?

4) How would you advise in the following situation: If rioting broke out while he was at work, what are some good ways to handle that, and how to get home safely? My husband has a great job in a crappy neighborhood, in a fairly crappy town. This town is known for being "A small town with big town crime", in fact, they had a helluva time finding someone willing to be Sheriff, took forever, they finally hired someone retired from a major city. The area the plant is in is rather "ghetto". The turnover at this plant is insane, lots if people there who, frankly, think they are "thugs", wannabe gangsters. Common talk on the floor includes chatter about who was involved in what shooting, where, etc. People are routinely fired for failing drug tests. It's nuts. My husband has been promoted 3 times in less than a year, but he is an exceptionally hard worker, makes himself available to work whenever asked to come in, has a bus. management degree from Tx A&M, presents himself well, is always at least 10 min. early, etc. So we are not in a hurry for him to work elsewhere. Hubby drives a former police car, a monster of a caprice (but fun to drive, that car has some crazy power!), he left the spotlight on it, the push bar, and he has his FF lights on it, keeps his FF gear in the trunk. He works second shift. In the case a riot started, would his car be a target or asset? What advise would you give, suggestions to get him home safely? He does have a CHL, and is former Dallas PD, but that was over a decade ago. He only works about 20 min. from home, but has several rivers/creeks he crosses. I am trying to think of what he would need in terms of a GHB, it things got nuts, and he couldn't drive his car.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[prepguide]

Been seeing this question come up in different places with growing interest.

1) Do you think there is a real probability of riots? Yes I absolutely do, this is due in part to the large entitlement mentality of many in this society, the perception that some minorities have that because we have a minority President that he should remain in power no matter what as well as many, many are simply waiting for an excuse to "get their share".

2) If so, where (ex, inter cities, regions, certain areas but not others, etc)? Certainly the large urban areas is where it will start but it wont' stay just there I am sure. Look at the Rodney King incident and how many areas were affected by that civil unrest.

3) How would you be affected if said riots occurred? Do you have a plan? For us here at the farm very little, we are in a rural area well away from major population centers. Our plan - institute a 24/7 armed security plan with the night time watch established with nite vision equipment and portable commo.

4) In the case a riot started, would his car be a target or asset? If he can get to it and get on his way definitely an asset. Rest assured there are elements at his job that have taken note of his vehicle.

GHB - really shouldn't be any different than most, food, water, shelter, a first aid kit, ability to make fire, a good knife for utility use, commo gear if possible, maps, some cash and change, toiletries and extra clothing especially socks ensuring that current seasonal concerns are addressed and if possible a firearm.

Hope that helps

[Stormfeather]

I have read a few things the last few days, here and there, suggesting the real possibility of riots in the next few weeks. We all know what and why, and since we don't discuss politics here, we don't even need to go there. The question is, or rather, questions are:

1) Do you think there is a real probability of riots?

Not really. Theres a lot of thoughts about it, but as most know, sheeple will be too cowed todoanything about it.

2) If so, where (ex, inter cities, regions, certain areas but not others, etc)?

If it did happen, will be restricted inner city, larger population bases. That is where thr folks who will do it,know they can get away with it.

3) How would you be affected if said riots occurred? Do you have a plan?

Wont be affected. Yes I do, hunker down and wait it out. Deadly force is authorized to protect ones self in a riot.

4) How would you advise in the following situation: If rioting broke out while he was at work, what are some good ways to handle that, and how to get home safely? My husband has a great job in a crappy neighborhood, in a fairly crappy town. This town is known for being "A small town with big town crime", in fact, they had a helluva time finding someone willing to be Sheriff, took forever, they finally hired someone retired from a major city. The area the plant is in is rather "ghetto". The turnover at this plant is insane, lots if people there who, frankly, think they are "thugs", wannabe gangsters. Common talk on the floor includes chatter about who was involved in what shooting, where, etc. People are routinely fired for failing drug tests. It's nuts. My husband has been promoted 3 times in less than a year, but he is an exceptionally hard worker, makes himself available to work whenever asked to come in, has a bus. management degree from Tx A&M, presents himself well, is always at least 10 min. early, etc. So we are not in a hurry for him to work elsewhere. Hubby drives a former police car, a monster of a caprice (but fun to drive, that car has some crazy power!), he left the spotlight on it, the push bar, and he has his FF lights on it, keeps his FF gear in the trunk. He works second shift. In the case a riot started, would his car be a target or asset? What advise would you give, suggestions to get him home safely? He does have a CHL, and is former Dallas PD, but that was over a decade ago. He only works about 20 min. from home, but has several rivers/creeks he crosses. I am trying to think of what he would need in terms of a GHB, it things got nuts, and he couldn't drive his car.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

The old cop cars are a favorite nowadays with redneck and thug alike. As far as his car being an issue,it shouldnt be. As long as he can get to it,he should be able to make it home.They have enough HP to get him up to speed and a push bumper to keep him there.
The trick is knowing when to get out of dodge.

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Been seeing this question come up in different places with growing interest.

1) Do you think there is a real probability of riots? Yes I absolutely do, this is due in part to the large entitlement mentality of many in this society, the perception that some minorities have that because we have a minority President that he should remain in power no matter what as well as many, many are simply waiting for an excuse to "get their share".

2) If so, where (ex, inter cities, regions, certain areas but not others, etc)? Certainly the large urban areas is where it will start but it wont' stay just there I am sure. Look at the Rodney King incident and how many areas were affected by that civil unrest.

3) How would you be affected if said riots occurred? Do you have a plan? For us here at the farm very little, we are in a rural area well away from major population centers. Our plan - institute a 24/7 armed security plan with the night time watch established with nite vision equipment and portable commo.

4) In the case a riot started, would his car be a target or asset? If he can get to it and get on his way definitely an asset. Rest assured there are elements at his job that have taken note of his vehicle.

GHB - really shouldn't be any different than most, food, water, shelter, a first aid kit, ability to make fire, a good knife for utility use, commo gear if possible, maps, some cash and change, toiletries and extra clothing especially socks ensuring that current seasonal concerns are addressed and if possible a firearm.

Hope that helps

Just pointing out, as far as proportion, not a lot of areas where actually affected by the Rodney king riots. I have firsthand knowledge of this being as how I was the driver in the 3rd humvee to pull out of the gates at Camp Pendleton to head up the I-5 to LA to secure areas while we waited for the National Guard to pull their heads out of their ass.

[prepguide]

Stormfeather, Was working casino security in Las Vegas for both of the King incidents and we had some pretty serious problems there as well. BTW, thank you for your service from one Marine to another

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Hoo-Yah! On that note after last night's debate (no need to go into the topics) there will be problems if the current admin remains or leaves.
By the way New Orleans/Katrina was a well controlled mob from where I was positioned.........staying with this topic, the "type" of people that your husband works with and their relatives will become restless when all their free money get's taken away. New Orleans was the biggest welfare city I had ever seen, I learned way toooo much about people there, both good and bad, mostly bad. Generations of "healthy" welfare families, they came unglued when that hurricane hit, total free for all. The lessons learned from Katrina for that area alone are just worth the read for this forum. Hmmmmmmmmmm? Great Idea, I should look those up. Don't know if anyone's posted any but damn scary for some people. I'll get back to you on this, it will answer alot of questions on this topic and alot of others........

[Possom]

Your sure right about New Orleans. I do recall y'all's base had about 12 ft of water through it. There where I was stationed at Poland and dauphine we only got about 3ft of water but it was hell on earth once the thugs started popping out of their holes.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Your sure right about New Orleans. I do recall y'all's base had about 12 ft of water through it. There where I was stationed at Poland and dauphine we only got about 3ft of water but it was hell on earth once the thugs started popping out of their holes.
Actually I was offshore, SAR ops "prepping" to evac super dome using LCACs based outta Panama City. But there's more to the story I won't go into.

[Possom]

Pretty sure I have some pictures around here somewhere of LCACs coming ashore in Mississippi when we had to make a run over there.

We sent a lot of people on down the road from us toward the superdome. That was before the 82nd airborne and the nasty girls (national guard for this who don't know) showed up by the hundreds to help "save" people. That turned into the biggest FUBAR situation I ever witnessed my entire time serving.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Pretty sure I have some pictures around here somewhere of LCACs coming ashore in Mississippi when we had to make a run over there.

We sent a lot of people on down the road from us toward the superdome. That was before the 82nd airborne and the nasty girls (national guard for this who don't know) showed up by the hundreds to help "save" people. That turned into the biggest FUBAR situation I ever witnessed my entire time serving.

We had to turn the LCAC's over to ACU4, mission scrubbed due to a railroad bridge, "civil"ians firing at SAR aircraft during our RECON flight. A host of other things that I won't go into but "we" continued with SAR ops via helos. ACU4 with the LCAC's teamed up with Army Corps of Engineers and met up at "Red Beach" as I recall. I still have all the notes written down somewhere I think. At's all I got to say about that..........really.......but there are alot of lessons learned about the riots. Security in the dry areas, the conduct of their LEO's if you want to call them that. I'll try to dig out some of the stories that i read that would be "relative to the topic. The above (superdome, LCAC's, SAR) to me, however is not. Just give me a little time.

[Stormfeather]

Hoo-Yah! On that note after last night's debate (no need to go into the topics) there will be problems if the current admin remains or leaves.
By the way New Orleans/Katrina was a well controlled mob from where I was positioned.........staying with this topic, the "type" of people that your husband works with and their relatives will become restless when all their free money get's taken away. New Orleans was the biggest welfare city I had ever seen, I learned way toooo much about people there, both good and bad, mostly bad. Generations of "healthy" welfare families, they came unglued when that hurricane hit, total free for all. The lessons learned from Katrina for that area alone are just worth the read for this forum. Hmmmmmmmmmm? Great Idea, I should look those up. Don't know if anyone's posted any but damn scary for some people. I'll get back to you on this, it will answer alot of questions on this topic and alot of others........

I saw so much bad there during NOLA,that all the good that I saw afterwards couldnt match it on scale no matter how much good was done. I saw cops looting, carrying out what in my opinion I consider a hit or assassination on members of its own citizenry, I saw people looting anything that wasnt tied down and had no chance in hell of ever working again due to water damage. I saw neighbor versus neighbor, I saw the scams, the hustles, and all the drug use to last me a lifetime. I never thought human beings could sink so low til I set foot in NOLA.

[4suchatimeasthis]

It makes one wonder.....a nation wide "Katrina" with no one to come help. Wow. Makes ya want to go buy one of those crazy million dollar bunkers!

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

I saw so much bad there during NOLA,that all the good that I saw afterwards couldnt match it on scale no matter how much good was done. I saw cops looting, carrying out what in my opinion I consider a hit or assassination on members of its own citizenry, I saw people looting anything that wasnt tied down and had no chance in hell of ever working again due to water damage. I saw neighbor versus neighbor, I saw the scams, the hustles, and all the drug use to last me a lifetime. I never thought human beings could sink so low til I set foot in NOLA.

OK now I don't have to say some of it. Now let's multiply that on an almost nation wide scale. Let's say all of the major cities because that is where most of your welfare populace resides. NOLA, LA, Chicago, Detroit, etc. to name a few.

Another note....let's look at the "refuge" from NOLA that migrated to other cities like Houston, the crime rate skyrocketed because of these "Flakes" they came with nothing and demanded everything. They said they "deserved it." Man I need to shut-up and dig some of this stuff up. Otherwise I'm just running my mouth. I need to let these articles speak instead of me so the points will come across. stand-by......

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Small post from an individual living in Baton rouge.

The topic seemed appropriate so I wanted to share a personal story out of my life- and out of the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern US...

Its weird, now- its been over four years and the obvious destruction of Hurriciane Katrina has faded from the streets, signs of new development and life has moved on.
Yet- the levees in New Orleans are not complete (and won't be till 2011- one more hurricane season to go) And the poverty and memories still linger.

This wh*** food security topic brings me back to the days after the Hurricane. I lived about 60 miles northwest of New Orleans in the State Capital of Louisiana, Baton Rouge.

In a span of 2-3 days, the cities population size increased by 200,000 people. Urban Migration/ Evacuation... whatever you want to call it. The system was strained. Roads, hotels, hospitals, everything was filled beyond capacity. Shelters out of basketball stadiums, the red cross setting up on football fields at LSU.

Rapidly, people had thrown whatever important things they could into their cars and drove off. Food- wasn't necessarily on that list, and as the
days rolled on 3,4 ...5 the system failed.

I remember the food riots. The food distribution system was thrown into a shock as one of the main traveling routes (I-10) was servely damaged, and gas stations between New Orleans and, oh Florida had been destroyed, were out of gas, the owners had fled or all of the above.

It meant that food that use to come from north, east and west, suddenly was only coming from the north and west. Also, simply- grocery stores were not prepared. 200,000 extra people with little adaptation in ordering amounts also helped deplete supplies quickly.

There was not enough bread. Riots broke out. People were hurt. Grocery Stores closed their doors at dusk. There was an increase in robberies in the parking lots- over necessities. Rice, bread, baby food. Do not go shopping alone they said.

I remember early early in the morning going to Wal-Mart, rumored to be the safest time, and walking down isles. There was only left wrappers, squished or badly damaged bread that no-one could figure out uses for- scattered on rows of empty shelves. Each isle showed the same, with odder and less common (or more useless) foods dwindling. Workers were tense, giving no information when any food would be coming in.

I remember mostly women sitting at some of the isles picking through. Sorting through trying to find the best the could, distant as they contemplated the ripped open bag of bread that had probobly been stepped on. Eyes gazing shelves hoping that maybe-maybe there was something everybody else had missed.

I felt disjointed, insecure, panicked. In my head I knew that companies would adjust, and that I had a
source of food through the university, but the images are there. An American City with not enough food for those WITH money.

Its pretty scary to me that this can happen again. That the food riots and panic was lost among the thousands of other disaster related issues (and partially rightfully so). A great nation suddenly had little fuel, an overflow of people and not enough bread.

It really made me rethink my world.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Copy of a Houston article:

Seven months after taking in about 200,000 Louisiana residents left homeless by Hurricane Katrina, Houstonians aren't feeling so hospitable anymore.


Many people in the nation's fourth-largest city complain that the influx has led to more murders and gang violence, long lines at health clinics and bus stops, and fights and greater overcrowding in the schools. Some of those claims are debatable, but the sentiment is real.


"We still feel sorry for them. We still want to help them, but it's to the point where enough is enough," said Torah Whitaker, 25, of Missouri City, a Houston suburb.


Houston received national acclaim for accepting more Katrina evacuees than any other U.S. city. It gave them apartments, houses and health care, and held job fairs for them. Celebrities visited schools and brought gifts for the youngsters.


About 150,000 refugees remain in the greater Houston area, which has more than 4 million people. While some evacuees plan to return to Louisiana, thousands have secured their own housing and jobs and plan to make Houston their home.


But a survey last month of 765 Houston-area residents by Rice University sociologist Stephen Klineberg found that three-fourths believed that helping the refugees put a "considerable strain" on the community, and two-thirds blamed evacuees for a surge in violent crime. Half thought Houston would be worse off if evacuees stayed, while one-fourth thought the city would be better off.


The murder rate between the Katrina refugees' arrival in September and last week was up nearly 32 percent from the same period a year ago, Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt said. He said some of that is attributable to Katrina refugees, but added: "I don't mean to send the message that all Katrina evacuees are involved in drug dealing, gangs and violent offenses."


Refugees were involved — as victims or suspects — in 35 of the 212 murders in that time period, Hurtt said. In January, Houston police arrested eight members of rival New Orleans gangs in the murders of 11 fellow refugees. Earlier this month, half of the 18 people arrested in an auto theft sweep were evacuees.


Angelo Edwards, a storm victim from New Orleans and vice chairman of the Katrina Survivors Association, said most evacuees are law-abiding citizens trying to find jobs.


"The majority of evacuees are not thugs, looters and hoodlums," Edwards said. "We'd like for the people of Houston to walk in our shoes." If Hurricane Rita had taken a slightly different course, he added, the people of Houston "just as well could have been in our situation."


Some 21,000 students from Louisiana now attend southeastern Texas schools, including roughly 6,000 in Houston. Across the state, Louisiana children scored considerably worse than Texas youngsters on a state exam and thousands could be held back, imposing even higher costs on overburdened districts that are still awaiting federal reimbursement for helping the storm victims.


Tatiana Boone, a Houston 11th-grader, attends one of several schools where brawls have broken out between local teens and Katrina refugees.


"A city that sleeps and a city that don't sleep — it just does not mix. It's two different cultures," the 17-year-old said, comparing Houston with the more boisterous New Orleans.


She complained that the Katrina refugees are getting preferential treatment, even though some of her classmates are even poorer than they are. Storm victims were taken on shopping sprees to buy clothes and were showered with other gifts after they arrived.


"I feel like they shouldn't have to use that as an excuse all the time, as like, `Oh, I'm an evacuee from New Orleans,' so you get this and you get that," Tatiana said.


Just after the August hurricane, the Harris County Hospital District, the agency that runs the public hospitals and health clinics in Houston and surrounding Harris County, treated 15,000 evacuees in two weeks at the Astrodome, but now sees about 800 extra patients a month, said spokesman Bryan McLeod.


The agency treats 1.2 million patients a year, so apart from the first few weeks, the number of evacuees is "not overwhelming" and is not delaying care for Houston residents, McLeod said.


Still, treating refugees has cost $11.6 million, and the district has been reimbursed only $1.6 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Medicaid, he said. The district has dipped into reserve funds, he said.


Bus ridership at the Metropolitan Transit Authority was up 12 percent in October through December from the same period a year ago. Spokeswoman Raequel Roberts attributed the increase to evacuees as well as high gas prices.


Keesha Ramos of the Houston suburb of Sugar Land said she does not believe evacuees have been getting help at the expense of Houston residents. She said people should have more compassion for the storm victims.


"They're not thinking about how long it's going to take one family to get back on their feet," said Ramos, 34, a bank information analyst.


Mayor Bill White said that most Houston residents are still proud of the city's response and that only a small percentage of refugees are "bad apples."


"Everyone understands when you evacuate a major American city that some of those people will be those who committed a crime or have special needs," he said.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189554,00.html#ixzz29iXuAMdv

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

OK, I won't bore you with another article, you can look them up but look up the gun confiscation after katrina. No need for comments, just look them up. So at this point. I quit the thread..............please go do some research. Cause and effect is what it's all about, this is just an example of how ugly people can be. Witnessing it first hand, makes one very pissed off and untrusting of others. But I do smile occasionally, God bless the USA......
Brownwater Riverrat Out.............

[Willie51]

OK now I don't have to say some of it. Now let's multiply that on an almost nation wide scale. Let's say all of the major cities because that is where most of your welfare populace resides. NOLA, LA, Chicago, Detroit, etc. to name a few.

Another note....let's look at the "refuge" from NOLA that migrated to other cities like Houston, the crime rate skyrocketed because of these "Flakes" they came with nothing and demanded everything. They said they "deserved it." Man I need to shut-up and dig some of this stuff up. Otherwise I'm just running my mouth. I need to let these articles speak instead of me so the points will come across. stand-by......

BWRR, you are spot on here. Most flocked to Houston and I had friends there that wanted to leave town and some did. Also, many flocked to Altanta where my family is and where I grew up. The crime rate there went up big time.

Also, we experienced it first hand in the panhandle of FL. I won't go into what all we did to help, but because the business we were in at the time, we saw first hand what they do to the housing that they were allowed to stay in for FREE...because fine Christian folks cared!! Cost those caring people thousands in repairs and not just for paint and cleaning either. Eventhough they were allowed to stay for free (temporarily because these were vacation beach resort properties), some people could not get them out when asked to leave.

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And you're right, witnessing first hand scars you, especially after sending $1000. to RedCross for NOLA on the third day.

[Stormfeather]

One small correction I would like to point out, there arent really gangs in NOLA, there are groups of degenerates that sometimes band together, but as a whole, the "gang" thing doesnt work in NOLA due to the huge amount of infighting amongst the criminal element that the city sees. After talking with many members of established gangs, Crips, Bloods, MS13'ers, VL's, and a few others on why they didnt have a presence in NOLA, the response was pretty similar across the board, They couldnt keep their members from killing each other due to internal fighting. I found this interesting, that although its a criminal enterprise, that members of NOLA "gangs" had no issue with offing a member of its own group, over offing a rival member, over the smallest of slights. It could be as simple as somebody in the gang "earned" more, and a member of that gang would take them out in a attempt to take over that persons enterprise, to a certain member had slept with a ex-gf or little/big sister and this particular member didnt appreciate it. The internal quirks of the population down there in regards to gangs is very different surprisingly compared to the rest of the country.

[Stormfeather]

OK, I won't bore you with another article, you can look them up but look up the gun confiscation after katrina. No need for comments, just look them up. So at this point. I quit the thread..............please go do some research. Cause and effect is what it's all about, this is just an example of how ugly people can be. Witnessing it first hand, makes one very pissed off and untrusting of others. But I do smile occasionally, God bless the USA......
Brownwater Riverrat Out.............


Ok, I have to address this one as well. I was down there as a federalized peace officer at the time. Yes, there were confiscations, the majority of the time, from criminal elements. I personally saw no need for a 14 year old kid to be hanging out on the streets with a ak-47, so yes, I even did some confiscations myself. But if it was a normal person doing the normal routine (as in trying to move their possessions, going to/from the store, ect) I saw no issue with them carrying a firearm to defend themselves with, after all, it was a dangerous time and a dangerous area. Many members of my team thought the same way as I did, so we didnt really do confiscations, but it happened. California Highway Patrol was NOTORIOUS for this. If I remember correctly, they was the ones involved in the little old lady beatdown when she said she had a gun in her house to defend herself with.

[rice paddy daddy]

Wife and I live in a rural area, she's a stay at home farmer but I commute 5 days a week into the Jacksonville, Florida ghetto to my job as a distribution warehouse manager. The neighborhood I work in is not regularly patroled by cops, this is the area where bodies are dumped, two blocks away is the open air drug market, prostitution/john stings have been done in our parking lot, robberies and shootings abound. Get the picture?
Election week I will be on duty, the two handguns usually kept in my vehicle will be beefed up with a rifle. At the first sign of trouble I will shut down the warehouse and get my people out, corporate headquarters be damned.
We have a fairly clear avenue to the beltway and safety beyond.
I have no concerns about our farm, the zombies wouldn't make it this far out.

[prepguide]

Twitter has been blowing up with all kinds of threats of riots. How serious to take that I'm honestly not sure. There have been several articles I've seen posted over at Drudge that talk about how widespread the chatter is. I think that being more situational aware is important and that is something that we should all be doing anyway but for the next week or so especially.

[Willie51]

Being prepped and aware is all we can do. I hope these threats are by a bunch of blow hard punks that are too lazy to do anything.