Iran... US Navy ships/boats... thoughts?

[ElevenBravo]

I think were about two spits and a shit from war... if we had a POTUS with a backbone anyway...

https://www.google.com/search?q=navy+ship+iran&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8



Oddly, we have ISIS in our states, and Iran is holding the Navy hostage... nothing is being done, but our leaders can find time to cry over a false flag...

MURICA!

EB

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Just saw EB, I'm fuming right now.......my comments are not for the site at the moment. But I'll post later.

[bacpacker]

I thought about you BWRR,when I saw the coverage on this tonight. I guessed that's the type boats you ran. Prayers go out to the sailors caught in the middle of this crap.

[Sniper-T]

fuck me!

[bacpacker]

I'll pass!

[Kesephist]

I think were about two spits and a shit from war... if we had a POTUS with a backbone anyway...

Even Fat Bill would have done something... oh, wait, he was Mr. "I despise the military" and managed to lose the 'biscuit'.

Not getting these troops out of there promptly will be yet another of a stack of, IMO, violations of US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, paragraph 2381



Oddly, we have ISIS in our states, and Iran is holding the Navy hostage... nothing is being done, but our leaders can find time to cry over a false flag... EB

The late Southern comedian and WWII Navy veteran Jerry Clower said it dead on... This country will never fall from the outside, it will fall from within. The only part he didn't see (who would?) was that some of the fall would be PUSH, and that from 1600 Penn.

M****RF****R.

[Fidel MD]

About the only thing Obama was missing from reliving the Carter administration was a hostage crisis.

Guess what?

Maybe we'll get Ted Kopel on ABC again!

[ElevenBravo]

T,Im a taker.. but we need to spoon a few minutes first, at my age I nee some foreplay...


Back on topic, Lil and I were talking about it tonight.. I told her a strong president wouldnt say shit, he would send carriers in and start bombing the shit out of everything until the Sailors "magically" re-appears... then ground the planes, bring the ships back and never a word spoken. Thats how *my* leader would do it.

I know, I live in a fantasy world were evil doesnt prevail, ammo is cheap and beer is'nt fattening.


EB

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Situational awareness, I've been fuming on this for a few days. I've made this run from KNB to Manama, it's a short run in a fast boat. This is a navigational FUBAR by the OIC. First rule in High Speed Nav, when you have conflicting fixes, SLOW DOWN, take a fix, do it again. Someone was "IN CHARGE", 50 miles off course, sorry charlie, there's only like 2 dog legs in that run till you get to Bahrain bell. Sooooo anyway, there's a long road to recovery for this one. As far as his apology, maybe a trip to SERE would have done him some good. BTDT.......you have a Pilot and a Navigator running each boat. Each one checking the other. The pilot drives/navigates the craft and handles all close in contacts the Navigator handles the long range contacts and primaries Navigation! That's four people all together in two crafts, plus one OIC who's overall all responsible.................50miles........you have a magnetic compass you are supposed to be comparing to as well. (TWO OF THOSE, two boats) No this is one major FUBAR. There IS WAS and WILL STILL BE a serious lack of leadership.
As for the Farsi Island spying theory, skip it, look at them. I won't go into details about who and what this particular crew does without being bias. Where was/were the fucking CHIEF?

This makes my head just want to explode.................there's a million things i want to say but......I'd just be venting......the best thing I found out is there wasn't anyone I knew in any of those crews. I still have a few left in the fight.

Wait till you see how this turns out (Navy).
Uncle Joe the Perv Biden said our boats broke down? Make up your mind Dumb Ass. What the hell do you know about Nautical? Cept maybe your rubber ducky.......

[bacpacker]

Folks, take a look at this story. Has anyone found anything resembling this story?

http://yournewswire.com/iran-says-top-isis-leader-was-aboard-captured-us-navy-boats/



Iran Says Top ISIS Leader Was Aboard Captured US Navy Boats

A leaked Ministry of Defense report reveals that the Obama administration is “completely destroyed” after their top-secret mission in transporting a top ISIS leader was uncovered and thwarted by Iran.




Following the Iranian capture of two U.S. Navy Riverine Command Boats last week, intelligence officials in Tehran discovered a plot to transport a “top level” ISIS commander into Syria from Saudi Arabia in order to replace the toppled terrorist leader Zahran Alloush.

Whatdoesitmean.com reports:

Once this Islamic State terror leader was in route to Kuwait aboard one of the US Navy’s RCB’s, this report continues, an “overwhelming” force of Iranian Sepāh naval troops captured both this terrorist, the US Navy boats (including the American sailors aboard them) transporting him and nearly ignited an all out war when Iranian forces were forced to fire “warning missiles” against the US Navy’s aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman attempting to intervene.

Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy overseeing this operation, this report notes, stated about this operation to capture this terror leader that the aircraft carrier USS Truman displayed “unprofessional moves” thus causing him to put Iranian naval forces on high alert and warning: “We prepared our coast-to-sea missiles, missile-launching speedboats and our numerous capabilities, to strike if they made a hostile move”.

Upon the US Navy “backing down”, this report says, the captured Islamic State terror leader and the American sailors accompanying him were brought to Farsi Island whereupon Admiral Fadavi immediately contacted Deputy Foreign Minister for European and American Affairs Majid Takht Ravanchi.

The importance of Admiral Fadavi contacting Minister Ravanchi, this report explains, was due to his, Ravanchi’s, months long ongoing secret negotiations with Obama regime representative Wendy Sherman—who, shockingly, the Obama regime put in charge of these negotiations as her prior experience in international diplomacy was her being a social worker and the former director of State of Maryland’s office of child welfare.

Once Wendy Sherman was advised by Minister Ravanchi of Sepāh’s capture of this Islamic State terror leader and American sailors, this report continues, the Obama regime immediately “caved/relented” to all of Iran’s demands relating to “prisoner/detainee” swaps thus securing for the Iranians everything they had asked for, including the immediate release of seven Iranian nationals languishing in US jails and an agreement that the US would no longer pursue extradition of 14 Iranians for their alleged involvement in purchasing arms from the US to Iran.

Iran on its side, this report says, agreed to release the four dual nationality Iranian-American prisoners it held—the two most important being Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) spies Nosratollah Khosravi Matt Trevithick—the most important of them being Khosravi whom the Obama regime requested of Iran, and was granted, that his release be treated separately from the other three.

As an added “bonus/incentive” for Iran keeping “confidential/secret” the US Navy’s transporting of this Islamic State terror leader, this report further notes, President Barack Obama, also, lifted the American’s decades-old ban on selling aircraft and repair parts to Iran’s aviation on Friday (15 January) a full day ahead of the United Nations lifting of sanctions under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)—and which Iran put into immediate effect by ordering billions-of-dollars worth of European Union made Airbus aircraft instead of US made ones.

To how the American mainstream propaganda media has covered up this entire sordid affair including changing its date from 29 December to 12 January proving, once again, the Obama regimes direct complicity in directing the Islamic State terrorists in Syrian and Iraq, this report concludes, borders on the “absolute comical” as the many versions of what exactly they keep saying happened has kept changing by the hour/day/week (US Navy boats broke down/US Navy boats had navigational errors) and they have “deliberately decoupled” the capture of these US Navy boats with the firing upon the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier by Iranian naval forces—but which Admiral Fadavi bluntly stated: “The incident [Iran firing missiles against the USS Harry Truman] occurred during Iran’s seizure Tuesday [29 December] of two US naval boats.”

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

It doesn't jive with last night's phoncon. But hey, I am a media fan ya know.............keep up the good work brother.

[bacpacker]

Just picked it up from another source. Thought I'd pass it on and see if I could cobberate

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Just picked it up from another source. Thought I'd pass it on and see if I could cobberate

This is what intell gathering is all about. Find every piece of information you can, see what connects. Don't disregard anything, it might fit......somewhere. I found that article pretty damn interesting and passed it, I'm waiting to see what the response is. Thanks BP. I'll just say for now that this is not what's coming from the "community".

[bacpacker]

I figured you still had enough contacts that you would be able to get some scoop on it. I really hope that is not the case.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

I figured you still had enough contacts that you would be able to get some scoop on it. I really hope that is not the case.

Well ya know I've been pretty pissed since the whole thing came down. The community is going to get turned upside down thanks to this stunt. They are already feeling the pain. Again, wrong crew for the job in question but that's just my opinion.

[bacpacker]

I figured some heads would roll over it. Still don't understand river boats in middle of the gulf.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

OH, you should go visit it sometime. You and the better half would love it! Seas are almost always calm, losta sea snakes. The fishing is outstanding, REALLY! I have seen many a feeding frenzies over sheep carcasses that have been thrown over the side from the livestock haulers. (Do not get downwind of one of these things)Scary thing is when they bloat they look like mines, sooooo we have "high speed engagement" on said "minelike" object. Of course after we've investigated this rancid thing. Good training for the crews, you ever tried to hit and target doing around 40 knots (on an unpredictable platform) with a set of twin 50's, single 50, M-240, or the ol' fun gun Mk-19 40mm chain gun? This is a challenge, it's frustrating but it's your and your crews asses if you don't take it out. High speed low drag, serious crew coordination. You really have to have a "TEAM" when it comes to your crew.

But seriously there were times I had my ass handed to me in those waters and as I write this I still feel the pain and memories from those nights and days. Once you exit the straights of Hormuz you can SEE the change in sea state.

Oh other points of interest, the salinity is so high that even I can float without aid. (I'm a rock) It's the most consistently polluted waters I've ever swam or sailed (except off the coast of Naples Italy, Karachi Pakistan and, Djibouti) It's a body of water not a port. It always has this sheen on it. When it gets "hot" were talking 120+ it's fucking miserable out there. But it's a paycheck! HOO-YAH!

[bacpacker]

Holy shite! ������ Sounds like more fun than a barrel of....goats.

Lot of stuff I don't realize for sure. I'm betting lots of details yet to come on the incident as well.

[Kesephist]

I figured some heads would roll over it. Still don't understand river boats in middle of the gulf.

Wikipedia indicates that the PG is on the average about 50 m deep and the deepest parts about 90 m. Relatively shallow draft is prolly the rule, not the exception.

[bacpacker]

I knew it's not the deepest body around, but it is big enough to keep a carrier in and maneuver.
I always wondered about that. I never thought they had enough room for a battle group to do their normal routine during battle operations against another navy in an area that small. I know Iran don't have a huge regular navy, but still figured that had enough anti shipping missle's to inflict heavy damage if they wanted to.
Again just shows how little I know about the Navy

[ElevenBravo]

I just picked up off a right leaning news site that we gave $1.4B in exchange for the hostages, money we had that was frozen since 1979... Dont know of the validity of it, I didnt get to read the whole article.. sounds about right for pussified Murica at this stage..

EB

[bacpacker]

1.4B total. 400 million was frozen, the rest is interst. We get screwed worse with every deal we make.

[realist]

Interest????? Screw them what was the rate 10%??? They are lucky to get anything the pricks.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

A little update from the press.........I'll give more n depth explanation later on how this all came about. Worse than I thought, but I had to wait, till they finished. This goes back a looong way and this is the end result.

U.S. NAVY COWARDICE AND INCOMPETENCE IN THE PERSIAN GULF

… A sad testimony on the deplorable state of readiness of our Navy and military in general. A predictable outcome that we’ve seen coming for the last seven years. God help our military and country
Cowardice and Incompetence in the Persian Gulf – The US Navy has Severe Problems

New post on US Defense Watch by Ray Starmann

Last week, the Navy released the results of a lengthy investigation it had completed, concerning the conduct of one officer and nine enlisted sailors after they willingly surrendered their two Riverine Patrol Craft to the Iranians and were subsequently detained for 15 hours in the Persian Gulf last January.


The Navy’s findings should have generated a media frenzy, but instead were quickly buried by the 300 foot rogue waves generated by the storm called the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal.


Here are some highlights from the investigation as reported by the Stars and Stripes:


The findings from the investigation are frightening and should concern all Americans about the state of our armed forces under Obama.


The engine on one of the two Navy patrol craft was broken before it ever left port.
The crews had failed their most recent navigation exams. Several of the crew, including both captains, had either recently failed or not taken a required navigation exam and none of the crew had more than two hours of training on the navigation system.


Navigation is a sailor’s bread and butter. Not knowing navigation is tantamount to a hockey player not knowing how to skate.

The radios weren’t working. The two craft, Riverine Command Boats 802 and 805, left four hours late for their mission because they could not get their radios to work.

This speaks volumes about poor non-commissioned officers, aka chiefs, who obviously weren’t ensuring that the radios had proper maintenance or were replaced. One wonders what the officer in charge, Lieutenant David Nartker was doing instead of checking on his boats’ equipment.

None of the 10 sailors on either vessel had ever participated in a mission this long.
When the military spends all of its time on sensitivity training and other PC insanity, you lack time to conduct real training for war.

And when the chips were down the crews displayed a lack of "war-fighting toughness."

As US Defense Watch has reported before, the US military is not focused on its mission, creating an organization that is internally feeble and projects weakness abroad.

Boat 805 never bothered to log their route.

No one looked at a paper map before departing, though it is required.

The crews had already voiced their concerns: they weren’t ready for this mission. It would be the longest mission they’d conducted, and would require a nighttime refueling – another thing that they’d never done.

Obviously, a real world mission in the Persian Gulf is a lot tougher than attending one of the military’s classes on why the Bible is a sexist document or conducting physical training with pregnancy simulators.

Things quickly went from SNAFU to TARFU to FUBAR as they drifted into Iranian waters.

At the critical moment when the navigation system identified Iran’s Farsi Island for them, none of the 10 picked up on that information because no one zoomed in on the island that the system was displaying. They also didn’t look at backup navigational charts on the boats or call in their location to one of their maritime operations centers.

The crews thought they would go around the island. But boat 802’s engine experienced a dangerous oil pressure drop, and cut speed. Boat 805 also dropped speed and came alongside.

Boat 802’s engine problems could have been fixed with the boat still moving, but the crew decided to stay put and fix the issue there. Despite the fact that they still had a visual on an unknown island and did not know their exact location, the boat captains did not have their gunners on watch to protect the craft while the repairs were under way.

They thought repairs would take 20 minutes. A few minutes later, they saw two small patrol craft approaching.

At 1,000 yards, the captain of boat 802 saw the incoming vessels had weapons. But he still did not tell his crews to take a defensive posture. He would later say he thought the vessels might have been friendly, from Saudi Arabia.

Obviously, when you don’t look at charts and fail navigation exams you have no idea if you’re in Baja or Beijing.

By the time the vessels were within 100 yards, the two U.S. boats manned their guns.

Then they saw the blue flag of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The U.S. crews started yelling, trying to communicate by pointing to their wrench and engine that they were broken down. This wasn’t an incursion. By then, two additional Iranian vessels were headed toward them.

Lieutenant Nartker failed to order the crews to fire at least warning shots.
Instead, Nartker did order the boats to speed away. But by then it was too late, the Iranians were able to block their vessel and had their weapons fixed on boat. The crew’s coxswain saw the Iranian’s AK-47s were close enough for him to see they were pointed at his gunner. When the captain wanted another attempt to go, the coxswain said no.


“I tell the [boat 802] captain that we are not moving. [The boat 802 captain] said we just got to go and if they shoot through us then whatever. I am having this dumb conversation with him about how I am not going to drive. I am not going to get the [boat 802] gunner killed,” according to the investigation.

At that point, Nartker started negotiating with the Iranians.

“So at that point in time if I had decided to start a firefight, I know a lot of my guys would be dead. We might have all been dead at that point in time. I didn’t want to start a war with Iran, either … my thought at the end of the day was that no one had to die for a misunderstanding. And that, I guess, was a gamble on my part. I don’t want to say gamble because that is not exactly the right word, but in allowing us to be captured – that was my decision and my decision alone.”

Nartker’s cowardice immediately endangered his whole crew by delivering them into the hands of a nation led by psychopaths and religious zealots. He seemed more concerned about not harming Iranians than he was about doing his duty as a US Navy officer.

The crews raised their hands and kneeled. The boats were boarded. Once on board, the Iranians tore down the U.S. flags and replaced them with their own.
As they were filmed kneeling and bound, the female gunner on the crews activated the distress signal. The Iranians discovered her actions, and confiscated the device.
What the investigation found was that Nartker should have had his crew in a defensive posture while the downed vessel was getting repaired. It did not rule on his decision to surrender the boats to the Iranians, noting the Defense Department’s Code of Conduct does not clearly outline what actions an officer should take in regards to surrender if the situation occurs in non-armed conflict.

The Navy needs a reality check. While we are not in a declared war with Iran, they are the ENEMY, no matter what sick pill John Kerry tries to shove down the nation’s throat. The Code of Conduct clearly states how Nartker should have acted and he violated Articles II and V.

The investigation also found Natker acted honorably by directing the Iranians not to film his crew, but his filmed apology “was clearly inconsistent with the Code of Conduct.”

Nartker was in captivity for 15 hours and he submitted to making an apology. His acquiescence is worrisome. Does anyone in the Navy have any conception of how the Vietnam POW’s resisted North Vietnamese repeated attempts for them to make public apologies? Our POW’s in North Vietnam were routinely tortured for weeks or months until they broke and signed statements or agreed to be filmed.
Nartker’s excuse was that the Iranians threatened not to release him and his men if he didn’t make a formal apology on worldwide TV. So what? Tough it out trooper. You’re in the Navy, not an employee of Quaker Oats. Nartker gave in and the Iranians never even laid a hand on him or his men. They didn’t have to. They knew they were dealing with a gutless coward.

The report also found that the crew members improperly revealed passwords for laptops and cellphones and even sensitive technical details about their two ships, including their top speed, capabilities and missions, the report said. “It is clear that some, if not all, crew members provided at least some information to interrogators beyond name, rank, service number and date of birth,” the report said.

The Navy might want to replace some of their unconscious bias and white privilege training back to Code of Conduct classes.

In the aftermath, the Navy has recommended administrative actions against the task force commander and commodore, both of whom have already been carried out and both have been relieved of command. It has recommended its investigation be sent to each of the commands overseeing the executive officer directly responsible for the two boats, the captain of boat 805, and the coxswain of boat 805 who challenged the captain of boat 802’s decision to try to flee the Iranian vessels.

The investigation found that Nartker failed in many of the expectations that the Navy had of him. But the Navy also reported the lieutenant’s relative inexperience, low rank at the time and the extreme situation should be put in the context of the lack of oversight or mentorship his commanders had afforded him.
Wait a minute. David Nartker is a Lieutenant, not some green ensign wi

h one week of active service under his belt. Nartker has been on active duty for several years. It’s his job to make tough decisions and to show courage. It’s also his job to look out for his crew. He failed at every task given to him.

Younger men than Nartker, with much less experience and without the prized Annapolis training have performed heroically throughout the history of the Navy. The Navy needs to stop making excuses for the poor conduct of its officers.

Lastly, the report found that the female gunner should “receive proper recognition for her extraordinary courage in activating the emergency beacon while kneeling, bound and guarded at Iranian gunpoint, at risk to her own safety.”

Apparently, the female gunner in Nartker’s crew was the only one who seemed to understand their duty and who exhibited courage.

The fallout from the incident has already resulted in the removal of the commodore and executive officer responsible for the vessels, Capt. Kyle Moses and Cmdr. Eric Rasch.

A third officer who was in charge of the detachment in Kuwait, who was not named, was also relieved of command, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson announced Thursday in a news briefing on the investigation findings.
The incident in the Persian Gulf last January should be a wake-up call for the US Navy. Not only were the sailors and officers in question lacking in training, they also had a desultory mentality toward maintenance of their equipment. When called upon to act courageously, they conducted themselves poorly and disgraced their service and their country while in captivity.

The US Navy has severe problems. This incident may have been isolated, but it speaks volumes about the declining readiness and warrior spirit in our military.
Should we be surprised? This is the type of military you get when the White House and the Pentagon are more focused on social engineering than training for war.

‘Don’t give up the ship’

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

OH and I've been even more pissed since I found out. Did you know at the MEPS stations at the male's section they have those rubbermaid tubs you get at Wallyworld with little signs over them that check "WELCOME ABOARD, leave your balls here", and at the female line the have the same tubs FULL OF BALLS issuing them out to those women them want them. One time deal though, they're still sorting through what to do with the penis's.....................do you stick them on, do you take them off, what do we do with all these silicone bags Chief? "Aye Lad, pirate days are comin we can load'em in the slingshot and use'em fer fodder!"

[bacpacker]

Holy shit Rat! I hadn't heard about a report coming out yet. No wonder it didn't hit the MSM. They don't want word of their social engineering experiment results to get out. AMERICA would be pissed.
I have read 2-3 books accounting the POW's treatment in Nam. Torture is a soft way of putting it. Waterboarding is going very easy compared to what those guys endured for many years. These boat crews wouldn't have made it under those conditions for a week. This just makes me wonder if this is the case military wide, as opposed to an isolated incident?

[Kesephist]

Admiral Ingraham and every served sailor worth his salt are probably rolling over in their graves seeing this foolishness. Sensitivity bilge needs to be dumped over the side, and get back to the job of training fighting sailors. And if women can meet the grade, bring em alongside too. ONE grade, though, not one for men and one for women. Even a dumb army puke like me knows that the sea will drown your a$$ equally fast, male or female.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Here's a little "Sea Story for ya lads, so stand down for a few and listen here.

When I was in back in the 80s........not the 1880s smart ass........ the Minewarfare community had what was known as ROT Crews (rotational crews) the MSOs Minesweeper Ocean (not really) were forward deployed to places like Bahrain and Japan. They rotated crews every 6 months, usually consisting of 3 different crews per command. Now we also had MSOs at home, Mayport and San Diego. East coast rotates to Bahrain and so on. These crews rotate through a system cycles. maint. and upkeep, schools, Then a 6mth training cycle where the crew goes back through all their battle training, firefighting, navigation, weapons, mine hunting, sweeping,etc, until they make the grade. ONce they meet their qualifications they are rotated back to the forward deployed command. Now what happens to the ship is this, pride of ownership, either it is or it isn't. One of those 3 crews might have it, maybe all three. This makes for an ass kicking command all the way around. However, there are those that are not, and what happens is the ship will suffer in maint. and degradation all the way around it has a snowball effect. Morale, scrapping between crews, etc. Bottom line, broke dick ship welded to the pier. Our Naval assets suffer because of piss poor leadership. OK sum this up ROT crews were a failure right? RIGHT! SO they actually shit canned the whole thing and started decommissioning and selling our beloved MSOs..........................OK so Gulf war one is the lesson learned and we need new Mine Hunters and Sweepers, so we built MCMs and MHCs, sent them to where? Japan and Bahrain, these were permanent crews, stationed there. OK life's good right? Wrong, some bright fucker says we need to do ROT crews! Why? Well the subs do it, Boomers rotate "blue and gold" crews. (nother story) Well they did it again, guess what? It didn't work, did they stop? No, did they listen to senior enlisted leadership? No, why should they, "they" know what they are doing. Well this led to the decommissioning of all the MHCs, Yup, destroyed that fleet. Let me back up a bit, Gulf war II "Hey great Idea ROT crews, lets bring over the PCs!" (coastal patrol crafts) and the Coast Guard (I can't vouch for their experience) Well they did this with Arleigh Burke Cruiser too (failed). What the problem is, is senior ENLISTED leadership, (I'm not even going to talk about officers, because it was our responsibility to train them to) could it work, YES! Does it? YES! But what happened here is the end result of the ROT crew system, pacification, accountability, LACK OF FUCKING TRAINING AND NO FUCKING BALLS! I have a longer list. You have a constant maintenance program that was obviously not adhered to that covers every piece of gear on the fucking boat. They don't make Chiefs anymore...................OK more to follows gotta go do my chores. (no spell check,pirate grammar)

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

OK, so here's another piece of Naval history that happened during my career. The true meaning of leadership, why and what it means to serve. The spine and the back bone of the fleet, the CHIEF. Hey, I was raised during the days of the "Rights of Passage" you had to EARN the right to wear those anchors. You had to be "Initiated" no two ways about it. It's not just the ceremonial bullshit, its can you handle the bullshit that is thrown at you? We had one guy crying that night the other wanted to quit. What did that tell me about who I could trust in the Mess? Who am I going rely on, take that back, I would already know it's ready and operational because he/she is a Chief. It was just a test, they but you through a bit of BS but it's all about the challenge.

Well the day came when this started to get phased out, the tough stuff so to speak. Things like "you can't write bad things in peoples "Charge books" and they should something more like people could display for reading on their coffee table", Oh and you can't cuss...............FUCK YOU WHAT? Oh no the fuck you didn't, you stepped into MY MESS and tell me I can't cuss! WELL FUCK YOU MUTHER FUCKER! Yup, out the door I went, told the leading E-9 (Command Master Chief) and all others to pack sand. I could not participate in such a pathetic watering down of what was supposed to be a metamorphosis of a sailor to Chief. The look of gratitude (and looking like hammered dinosaur shit) and knowing they have a brother they can trust for life no matter what, "I" would be there. I know I wore that look.

Now don't get me wrong some of you might think this a cop out. Well, to some it might, I don't and didn't give a shit.
You see it was that transition that made a Chief say "Yes sir" instead of challenging that officer and standing up for himself or his crew or WHAT THE FUCK IS RIGHT! It's that transition that made the Chief weak and spineless and hides behind the door of the Mess instead of being a pain in the ass to his guys because he's always there gettin his fingers into everything, gettin the job done! Well I continued to support the Mess I am a "Chief" that's what i do, no matter how fucked up they are I am there to tell them and support them and train my relief till the day I retired.

So what happened here.............essentially we have two Chiefs that are Capts. of their own boats. They own the whole thing, it's the CHIEF's responsibility to make those craft are fully operational at all times! Now look at your geographical situation.......do you really want to be down to one main engine when you only have two to begin with? Don't you think you might want know how to read a fuckin chart before you get underway, for your first time.........in the dark?

Here's the other real fuck up, they never should have left CONUS in the first place! They're not fuckin ready to serve chow in the galley! That's why the big dog got fired.

Now the Command Master Chief needs to be shit canned too!

OK need to do a pump and dump...................(again no spell check Pirate grammar)

[Stg1swret]

I saw it to many times during my career in Uncle Sam's Yacht Club. The difference between leadership and being the "leader" is large. I can remember a time back in 1986 left the ship for a long weekend, came back aboard we had a change of CO, unscheduled as it was, for cause. Everyone without a back ground thought the new skipper was a dick, except for the division LPO's and the chiefs mess. The new skipper laid down the law. Very steep learning curve for some of the crew, never challenge a man who says do your job or else. We lost four LT's and a LCDR the first week he was in command. There was no such thing as an excuse. My kind of CO.

[Stg1swret]

Today's Navy and armed forces are not the same as the ones we dinosaurs served in. The touchy, feely PC crowd with there sensitivity training and social experiment programs have all but destroyed them. Those boat crews and their boats should have never gone out with all the issues they had from equipment malfunctions to lack of training. I have no idea who was in charge of maintenance, but they obviously were gun-decking their PMS, that is dereliction of duty when I served. If you cant trust your shipmates to do their job, you are in a world of hurt.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Ahhhh, words from the past. Leadership and accountability is gone to shit. In ref to your previous posts STG1 comes a time when a change of command is necessary. I never had one relieved but I have seen them "get" relieved. I've seen damn near the whole wardroom wiped out. But this is just ridiculous, this goes back to INCONUS and these kids never should have deployed. They weren't qual'd, certed or READY. But I'm sure somebody stamped them "ready to go". I blame senior enlisted leadership, CMC all the way down. That boat is your fuckin life, you can't imagine the conversations I've had over this mess. I will say this, there are "Damn few left" those that give a shit. These clowns (In my opinion)have put a major black eye on the Navy, the boat community, Chiefs, can't say shit about the officer, that shit speaks for itself don't it? (I'da keel hauled that fucker and left him for chum on the way back, pussy) I get pissed everytime I think about this.

OK, what's happened? What's been the knee jerk from the Navy? This "I do know" since the "boarding incident" training throughout the "boat community" and when I say that I mean any deploy-able, squadron, unit, detachment that uses said craft, PC, MK-5, MK-6, SOCR, 11 meter RHIB, etc. Examples, Minewarfare clearance crews, Special Warfare Combatant Craft Crews, Coastal Patrol crews, Riverine crews, etc. What training? COMfuckingBAT, SERE, Urban warfare, convoy, landnav, first aid, you name it.
Guess who's been going? Senior leadership, primarily then they are taking their crews to learn how to operate effectively as a team. Also to see if these puss nut dip dunk muther fucs can lead. Oh and they're missing a few now to.........some couldn't deal with the snakes and swamps of Miss. others the incoming lead (total breakdown in a firefight) yeah it really trims the fat. Better here then over there.........Still waiting on the SERE reports, still my favorite but this could prove troublesome once I get a "fresh from the box" course feedback from a squid. They probably toned that down too. I already heard that the Air Force is doing SERE online now. Should prove to be helpful in a tight spot eh? OK, I need to do something productive on this rainy day. Out!

[Kesephist]

Ahhhh, words from the past. Leadership and accountability is gone to shit. In ref to your previous posts STG1 comes a time when a change of command is necessary. I never had one relieved but I have seen them "get" relieved. I've seen damn near the whole wardroom wiped out. But this is just ridiculous, this goes back to INCONUS and these kids never should have deployed. They weren't qual'd, certed or READY. But I'm sure somebody stamped them "ready to go". I blame senior enlisted leadership, CMC all the way down. That boat is your fuckin life, you can't imagine the conversations I've had over this mess. I will say this, there are "Damn few left" those that give a shit. These clowns (In my opinion)have put a major black eye on the Navy, the boat community, Chiefs, can't say shit about the officer, that shit speaks for itself don't it? (I'da keel hauled that fucker and left him for chum on the way back, pussy) I get pissed everytime I think about this.

OK, what's happened? What's been the knee jerk from the Navy? This "I do know" since the "boarding incident" training throughout the "boat community" and when I say that I mean any deploy-able, squadron, unit, detachment that uses said craft, PC, MK-5, MK-6, SOCR, 11 meter RHIB, etc. Examples, Minewarfare clearance crews, Special Warfare Combatant Craft Crews, Coastal Patrol crews, Riverine crews, etc. What training? COMfuckingBAT, SERE, Urban warfare, convoy, landnav, first aid, you name it.
Guess who's been going? Senior leadership, primarily then they are taking their crews to learn how to operate effectively as a team. Also to see if these puss nut dip dunk muther fucs can lead. Oh and they're missing a few now to.........some couldn't deal with the snakes and swamps of Miss. others the incoming lead (total breakdown in a firefight) yeah it really trims the fat. Better here then over there.........Still waiting on the SERE reports, still my favorite but this could prove troublesome once I get a "fresh from the box" course feedback from a squid. They probably toned that down too. I already heard that the Air Force is doing SERE online now. Should prove to be helpful in a tight spot eh? OK, I need to do something productive on this rainy day. Out!

Question I got is, are the kids coming in actually capable of taking man-o'warsman real be-ready-to-fight training, or are they thinking the whole damn thing's a videogame??

SERE online??!!?? What numbnuts thought of that?

BWRR, I was in during Reagan, during a time when there was 600 ships in the Navy and 16 divisions in the Army. If my DI's were told that, in the future, a recruit could hold up a little yellow card when they were feeling 'stressed' and it would get them out of PT, they would have laughed the teller into the next timezone.

Relying on tech toys to bail out a situation is rank folly. $#it happens, and the more technologically advanced, the more likely it is to happen.

Doesn't anyone get it?

[Domeguy]

How do I get me one of them ther yeller cards. Seems it could be useful when dealing with my next ex-wife. You want to go shoppen...yeller card. You want me to go and get a job...yeller card. You've been sleeping with my brother...yeller card!

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Question I got is, are the kids coming in actually capable of taking man-o'warsman real be-ready-to-fight training, or are they thinking the whole damn thing's a videogame??

SERE online??!!?? What numbnuts thought of that?

BWRR, I was in during Reagan, during a time when there was 600 ships in the Navy and 16 divisions in the Army. If my DI's were told that, in the future, a recruit could hold up a little yellow card when they were feeling 'stressed' and it would get them out of PT, they would have laughed the teller into the next timezone.

Relying on tech toys to bail out a situation is rank folly. $#it happens, and the more technologically advanced, the more likely it is to happen.

Doesn't anyone get it?

Damn talk about breathing life into a mummy.......missed this one, really? OK let's get back to your questions.
OK, I'm ten yrs out of retirement now. Things have changed certainly, even from when I was in I was battling these same issues.
1. Nintendo warriors are alive and well and still a viable asset this depends on senior enlisted leadership, NCO's, Chiefs. Are they savvy, do they lead from the front by example or do they ride from the rear and on the backs of their men? This is what makes or breaks the sailor or soldier. If he/she was FUBAR before they came to you then it's up to you to fix them or send them packin.
2. SERE online, who thought of that? Well that's an easy one, who's been in charge of the military's social club for the last 8yrs? Times are changing rapidly as we speak on this subject as we speak. When this topic was being written, things were falling apart from within because the Navy got caught with their pants down. LEADERSHIP!
3. Reagan yrs, Pres. Reagan was attempting to put together a 600 ship Navy........didn't happen but he was trying. It got squashed. Navy had a Blue "stress" card, it came to be in 94 right after I finished my tour as a DI "Company Commander" they shut down San Diego and Orlando just before that and we were taking in ALL of the Navy's recruits by then............Clusterfuck! I was so glad to be heading to my next command. The "Blue" card was short lived.

4. I trained by "Murphy's Law" that's the way "I" was trained and that's the way "I" passed it down. There's just somethings you can't replace, "your fuckin head stupid" "If you can't think in the shit then you will became the shit that gets stepped on when we come crashing through cause you didn't think"

5. If it's electronic, it will not work when you need it.
6. If it takes batteries, when you need it they will be dead or dying.
7. If it's a "Red Dot" scope, chances are you won't see the "Red dot"
8. Shall I continue? Radios? Weapons? Gear?