We got problems in the future....

[realist]

I was watching the news today and there was a poll on what the current generation feels would work best. 45% thought Socialism is best and 33% thought Capitalism is good. The one thing pointed out is the current generation hates bankers. They want a system which they can get anything they want! Yep I would say, so long as they do not have to work for it. Do you think we will have a problem in the future, I do?

[Sniper-T]

in the future? Shit we got a problem now!

[bacpacker]

Hell we've had problems for years. They just keep multiplying and getting worse.

[Domeguy]

I agree completely. My sons generation all feel they are entitled to have everything now. I've tried to explain to him they can have everything, but I takes time to build up savings to get it. But instead they go to a rental center and pay 4 times the cost to get 1/2 of the quality, just so they can have it now.

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Plus, they have had the government giving them things their whole life, so they don't know any different.

[ElevenBravo]

Years and years of conditioning to the weak minded.. will eventually yield the desired results, and were seeing it...

[Sniper-T]

let's see. we had boomers, busts, gen xers...

what are these tools? The entitlementers?

the expectors?

the completely useless fucking drain on societiers?

the douchbaggery?

[eagle326]

cannon fodder

[Domeguy]

I like "the completely useless fucking drain on societies". ST...you are a poet!

[Sniper-T]

I like "the completely useless fucking drain on societies"...
ST...you are a poet!

cool! And I didn't even know it

;)

[Gunfixr]

That depends on your definition of "future".
If you mean sometime way down the road, probably.
If you mean in the upcoming months/years, absolutely.
We are fucked, as in going to be socialist, because the "free shit" crowd is too large and too stupid to see what they are excitedly rushing into.

However, they will die in droves, of their own stupidity. All we have to do is stay far enough away. Kind of like not being too close to a sinking ship, so as not to be sucked down with it.

[realist]

You are so right. Look at Valenzuela they are so cash strapped they are raising their gas rates 2000%. That is from .08 cents to $1.60. Their leaders vilify business so no one wants to do anything, sound familiar. The biggest problem is when the country is run into the ground how do you recover??? If we were looking at a business then it would be ripe for take over. So do we let China come in an take over.............

[Kesephist]

realist: "Look at Venezuela, they are so cash strapped they are raising their gas rates 2000%. That is from .08 cents to $1.60. Their leaders"

Rulers. No leading done down there since Chavez.

realist: "vilify business so no one wants to do anything, sound familiar. The biggest problem is when the country is run into the ground how do you recover??? If we were looking at a business then it would be ripe for take over. So do we let China come in an take over?"

Any help the US would tender would be called imperialism. China's logistics chain is too long at this time.

The prudent soul, with any grain of wit in his head, will read back from Chavez's appearance on the scene to the present bunch and take notes, if for no other reason than to see what to avoid.

[Kesephist]

Gunfixr:"That depends on your definition of "future".
If you mean sometime way down the road, probably.
If you mean in the upcoming months/years, absolutely.
We are fucked, as in going to be socialist, because the "free shit" crowd is too large and too stupid to see what they are excitedly rushing into.

However, they will die in droves, of their own stupidity. All we have to do is stay far enough away. Kind of like not being too close to a sinking ship, so as not to be sucked down with it."

Agreed, as far as it goes.

The little-steps method the would-be rulers are using has, for them, one major Achilles heel....they're stuck with little steps until the very end. Some portions of the US are going to say "Enough." and secede. It's gonna tick off Ear Leader's Free Shit Army, as it is gonna cut into their accustomed allotment of free shit.

For your entertainment:

Now:

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q675/Desertphotofox/PresentdayUS_zps4ehpswcg.png

2026:

http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q675/Desertphotofox/Possible2026America_zpsstn4v9zk.png

[realist]

I noticed you have California split in two, it's the wrong way. If you were to cut Oregon, Washington and California right down the middle you would find that those on the east side would be well aligned with Idaho and Nevada. However the portion along the coast just needs a good earthquake to all into the Pacific.......they will not be missed..........well most of them at least..

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BTW you might Google the state of Jefferson! I can only wish....

[Kesephist]

realist:"I noticed you have California split in two, it's the wrong way. If you were to cut Oregon, Washington and California right down the middle you would find that those on the east side would be well aligned with Idaho and Nevada. However the portion along the coast just needs a good earthquake to all into the Pacific.......they will not be missed..........well most of them at least..

BTW you might Google the state of Jefferson! I can only wish...."

The notion of a large land sliding into the ocean... No. Tearing away from the mainland, yes. Similar to what Japan is like.

The destruction such a event would cause would finish off whoever was left, post-SHTF. If it was to happen before a SHTF event, it just might set SHTF off, under OUTLAW or TICKERTAPE.

As to "Jefferson"...yes, the Six Californias Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Six_Californias.png

Top to bottom, left to right:

Jefferson

Northern California

Silicon Valley

Central California

Western California

Southern California

The measure was slated for 2016, but the power junkies had just enough on the ball to know this would cut into their fat checks and fatter privileges.

[Kesephist]

eagle326: "cannon fodder"

Must disagree. The described generation barely knows about firing anything larger than a weapon on a videogame, never mind a cannon... and would break and run at the least imperilment to their hides.

The very few who would not, and are at something useful, I have deep sympathy for. Especially the ones in uniform these past seven years. Zampolits instead of officers, and a CINC that isn't. Poor souls.

What's the saying... "The future is now."?

& such great fun it is to watch , ainit? Able to do little more than survive it and hope that of those so very few younger ones, there will be enough to rebuild without the crack of the whip and the clank of chains.

Kesephist
KI7CIL, Tech Class

[eagle326]

eagle326: "cannon fodder"

Must disagree. The described generation barely knows about firing anything larger than a weapon on a videogame, never mind a cannon... and would break and run at the least imperilment to their hides.

The very few who would not, and are at something useful, I have deep sympathy for. Especially the ones in uniform these past seven years. Zampolits instead of officers, and a CINC that isn't. Poor souls.

What's the saying... "The future is now."?

& such great fun it is to watch , ainit? Able to do little more than survive it and hope that of those so very few younger ones, there will be enough to rebuild without the crack of the whip and the clank of chains.

Kesephist
KI7CIL, Tech Class

Your 1st. sentence was exactly my point.Back in the old days Generals would throw all the bodies they had at the enemy. And they in turn would unleash the cannons and muskets or rifles in later times and decimate the on rushing hordes of enemy.

Thus the term ( cannon fodder )

[Kesephist]

Must disagree, there, sir. The above described lot wouldn't know what to do with a cannon, and they aren't worth hacking to bits and stuffing into the piece as ammunition.

I wryly note that, while I have no heirs that would contribute to the solution, I also have no heirs that would contribute to the problem, having been careful not to leave heirs at all. And at 55, it's a little late.

[Caveman Survival]

*ahem* to be the role of devil's advocate... I am in favour of socialism. Canada has been a democratic socialist for a very long time... and we're doing ok. Now I'm not talking about standing in food lines for your daily allotment of bread and milk, but ensuring that basic needs of society are met... most definitely.

The US and Canada are very quite similar in both of their leanings - Capitalism and Socialism - meaning that you will only stay in the station that you were allotted at birth. Sure some, if not many may rise like cream above the rest, but unless you were there already, chances are you will never break the "elite" barrier.

Most, if not all of us on here, can attest to this. We have all busted our asses to better the versions of ourselves in our 20s, our 30s, 40s or even 50s, yet we continue to have the same problems... finite resources, limited free time, job prospects, and our own hard worked for money. Capitalism and socialism are part and parcel because .gov operates the same in both respects.... only for the rich.

This is just where my mind goes to when the subject comes up.



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[Sniper-T]

Caveman... you suck in your analysis.... only because you're right!

[helomech]

I don't believe government should do anything to help individuals. People should have to fend for themselves.

[Caveman Survival]

Helomech... but what is government there for then. It is elected by the people for the people. I get what you are saying, but the alternative is horrifying. Wounded vets should not get aid, and should have to fend for themselves? The disabled (mentally and physically) should also fend for themselves? The sick? The poor and destitute? Is it really a dog eat dog world in your estimation? This is the real crux of capitalism.
Throughout your last election Trump appealed to the middle class, blue collar worker who was upset that there were no jobs, no future. Trump said he would bring jobs back to America, stop work from leaving. And the people voted for him... yet is this not .gov intervention. Not only that, but the reason that jobs left to go overseas (manufacturing and production) wasn't that things were so bad on this side of the pond, but because profit margins could be made larger for share holders when utilizing cheap labour in places like china, Korea, Singapore, and India. So jobs left... of course they did. That is the premise of capitalism - to increase your profit margin no matter the cost. There is no social responsibility to be had or account for. Then when jobs leave, people at home lose their work. Then the blame gets put on donkeys or elephants (depending on who is in office at the time). But in reality, it's the system at fault... one that is vigorously defended by true patriots fearful of anything even remotely associated with the colour red.

I will make one example. I hear all the time about education, how it's not fair that some people get it subsidized and not others (being aboriginal, believe me, I hear it a lot). I think we can all agree that the rising cost of education, which many are privately owned capital corporations, is out of hand. I have heard of student loans (which are .gov aided) can amount to 10s of thousands of dollars. Students are getting out of school already burdened with 40-70k worth of debt... and entering workforces that are not even close to reflecting that type of pay. So people have two options, get saddled with that debt that they will not be able to pay off, along with purchase cars and houses so that they can participate in a capitalist society, or they can choose to by-pass further education. More and more people Are choosing option number 2. Enrolment rates have dropped consistently since 2014. Which is sad because a college grad earns 2x the wage of a high school grad. This means there is less money going in to the capitalist machine. More people are working poor, which means less luxury items will be purchased, which means profit margins will fall, which means more work will get shipped overseas. It's an ugly circle.

Let's not even talk about the cost that less people going to school has on a society. Less income = higher propensity for crime. Less education = less innovation = Country losing ground in production and manufacturing to countries that are investing in its people. I would rather live in a country of educated people than in one full of lol'ers and omg'ers. In fact, not helping the lower class actually hurts the very principles of capitalism. Makes you think, eh?

I don't mean to sound like I'm picking a fight, I am truly not. I am just saying that to rule out a government's responsibility to its people is dangerous, and people should be careful what they ask for




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[Domeguy]

Caveman, I agree in most of what you say. But you chose education as your point. True, a lot of students are graduating with a huge amount of student loans. And to this, I don't blame the government, not saying you are or not, but I blame the educational system itself. Just about every year since the beginning of time, the cost of education has risen even when other things in the same line have not risen, or atleast the amount education has. We are paying college presidents millions of dollars...why? We are paying professors hundreds of thousands while the under perform...why? We are giving teachers and professors tenure...why. I didn't get tenure at PepsiCo. Does anyone else on here get a guarantee oh a paycheck forever no matter how poorly the perform.
And the costs keep going up and up and up. This is insanity.

[Sniper-T]

I agree and yet disagree...

I have both college and university education... paid for by me! I worked two, and sometimes three jobs while attending higher education to pay for my tuition/books, and my rent/food/car/insurance/and play money.

Student loans are handy for those who don't wish to work, or who don't care about being saddled with debt. I had 'friends' at the time who funded their entire scholastic career via loans... and when they graduated, they declared bankruptcy, and wiped their slate clean. And no. that's not right either.

I firmly believe that people whom are given a free ride, take it as such, and expend the same amount of effort... those whose parents saved up for 20 years, and who worked part time jobs all their lives, put forth far greater effort into university.

Caveman, I went to university with a status member of society as well... as per our regulations (at least at the time), he had to take and show passing marks in two courses (paid for by the gov't), in exchange, he was given free tuition/books, a house, a car and his university parking was paid for. He was given money for food and entertainment. All of his monthly bills were paid.

When I met him, he was in his fourteenth year, finishing his second useless degree, and trying to figure out what to take for his third. He was a career student, admittingly with no plans to ever stop. in his own words 'why should I? If I stop going to school, the government would stop giving me money.'

Domeguy, I agree with your point on tenure... I had one prof, in his late eighties, whom would come to class each day, and tell us to read pages x-y in the text book, and then fall asleep in the front of the auditorium for the next hour. day after day, class after class. hundreds of complaints... no change. he died in his sleep in his office, over ten years later, still on the payroll, and still sleeping through every class. Tenure!

It blows my mind... the entire concept of the working poor. A couple just built a house across the road from me. both in their early twenties, right out of university, and just starting their first jobs...
4000+ sq foot house
2 brand new vehicles
1 brand new quad
1 brand new boat
60" tv
$10,000+ sound system
...
and on and on...
They have a million dollar, 50 year mortgage.
Last year, the wife hit the ditch and totalled her car... they refinanced the mortgage, and bought her a brand new one.

If either one of them gets laid off for more than a month or two, they will forfeit everything.
If the bank rates go up, they will not be able to afford to live there, they will forfeit everything.

So tell me, why would they think that it is necessary for them to build a $700,000 house as their 'starter home'?? Why is this becoming the 'norm'?

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[Vodin]

Government is there to protect the people not help the people. If you want a strong population they need to learn the ropes. Not be pointed to an elevator.

[Vodin]

My education. My parents loaned me the cash for a semester and I took the courses and worked a full time job. At the end of every semester I paid them back. And then it was repeated until I got a degree. They want me to continue but I run my own business now and have little time for more education. If you don't work/pay for an 'item' you will have little respect for that item.

[Sniper-T]

^ Good point!

That is something I see often while out in the outdoors... it is easy to determine who worked to buy their toys (sleds/quads/boats/etc) and those who are either using mommy's and daddy's, or were given them by M&D.

[helomech]

Helomech... but what is government there for then. It is elected by the people for the people. I get what you are saying, but the alternative is horrifying. Wounded vets should not get aid, and should have to fend for themselves? The disabled (mentally and physically) should also fend for themselves? The sick? The poor and destitute? Is it really a dog eat dog world in your estimation? This is the real crux of capitalism.
Throughout your last election Trump appealed to the middle class, blue collar worker who was upset that there were no jobs, no future. Trump said he would bring jobs back to America, stop work from leaving. And the people voted for him... yet is this not .gov intervention. Not only that, but the reason that jobs left to go overseas (manufacturing and production) wasn't that things were so bad on this side of the pond, but because profit margins could be made larger for share holders when utilizing cheap labour in places like china, Korea, Singapore, and India. So jobs left... of course they did. That is the premise of capitalism - to increase your profit margin no matter the cost. There is no social responsibility to be had or account for. Then when jobs leave, people at home lose their work. Then the blame gets put on donkeys or elephants (depending on who is in office at the time). But in reality, it's the system at fault... one that is vigorously defended by true patriots fearful of anything even remotely associated with the colour red.

I will make one example. I hear all the time about education, how it's not fair that some people get it subsidized and not others (being aboriginal, believe me, I hear it a lot). I think we can all agree that the rising cost of education, which many are privately owned capital corporations, is out of hand. I have heard of student loans (which are .gov aided) can amount to 10s of thousands of dollars. Students are getting out of school already burdened with 40-70k worth of debt... and entering workforces that are not even close to reflecting that type of pay. So people have two options, get saddled with that debt that they will not be able to pay off, along with purchase cars and houses so that they can participate in a capitalist society, or they can choose to by-pass further education. More and more people Are choosing option number 2. Enrolment rates have dropped consistently since 2014. Which is sad because a college grad earns 2x the wage of a high school grad. This means there is less money going in to the capitalist machine. More people are working poor, which means less luxury items will be purchased, which means profit margins will fall, which means more work will get shipped overseas. It's an ugly circle.

Let's not even talk about the cost that less people going to school has on a society. Less income = higher propensity for crime. Less education = less innovation = Country losing ground in production and manufacturing to countries that are investing in its people. I would rather live in a country of educated people than in one full of lol'ers and omg'ers. In fact, not helping the lower class actually hurts the very principles of capitalism. Makes you think, eh?

I don't mean to sound like I'm picking a fight, I am truly not. I am just saying that to rule out a government's responsibility to its people is dangerous, and people should be careful what they ask for



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It's duties are listed in the constitution. None of the listed powers are healthcare, and there is no right to someone else's services. Making someone work for free is slavery. Plain and simple. People need to be responsible for themselves and there loved ones. Our government is has very few enumerated powers, this is not one of them. I don't want to be taxed like yall are.

will respond more later, I have 10 minutes to get to work.

[Caveman Survival]

Helo - You are talking constitution, I am talking capitalism. But since it is brought up let me bring this up...

"We the People of the United States in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The premise of the constitution is laid out in the preamble. I point specifically to 'promote the general welfare' . To me (admittedly a non U.S. citizen of North America) this allows for education and health care for the masses. This does not go against the constitution, but it solidifies it.

I also chuckle at your statement "... there is no right to someone else's services. Making someone work for free is slavery..." especially when your constitution was drafted and signed in while your country promoted and actively built its dominance from slavery. The inequalities that breed from vigorous capitalism do not go unnoticed.


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[Vodin]

I should not be forced to pay for something that is 'good' for me. And in doing so since it is forced... is that not slavery?

[Caveman Survival]

Vodin ... no, it's not slavery. Slavery is being forced to work without reparations or renumerations. It may be dictatorial but not slavery.


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[helomech]

I will make this easy. I don't believe government should subsidize anything, or give ANY money or aid to individuals. The federal government has very few powers that are given to it by the federal government, and that is all it should do. Nothing with education, nothing with healthcare, nothing with businesses (except to remove lots of regulation). People and private groups need to help each other out. Shriner's hospital, Texas children's hospital are perfect examples. Private organizations are 1000's of times better at doing things. I don't need the government stealing money out of my check, damn sure not at the levels yall have to pay.

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Vodin ... no, it's not slavery. Slavery is being forced to work without reparations or renumerations. It may be dictatorial but not slavery.


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Yes it is slavery, I am being forced to work for free. I make X amount of dollars per hour, the feds take a portion of that without my consent, it is either slavery, or theft.

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Helo - You are talking constitution, I am talking capitalism. But since it is brought up let me bring this up...

"We the People of the United States in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The premise of the constitution is laid out in the preamble. I point specifically to 'promote the general welfare' . To me (admittedly a non U.S. citizen of North America) this allows for education and health care for the masses. This does not go against the constitution, but it solidifies it.

I also chuckle at your statement "... there is no right to someone else's services. Making someone work for free is slavery..." especially when your constitution was drafted and signed in while your country promoted and actively built its dominance from slavery. The inequalities that breed from vigorous capitalism do not go unnoticed.


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That clause has been beat to death. And it was never meant for any of this.

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
-Thomas Jefferson

Don't get you point on slavery. It is over, past is the past, nothing can be done about that. I think you believe slavery played a bigger part in our history than it actually has. Slavery was never the backbone of our country.

[helomech]

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”


“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.” James Madison, “Letter to Edmund Pendleton,”
-James Madison, January 21, 1792, in The Papers of James Madison, vol. 14, Robert A Rutland et. al., ed (Charlottesvile: University Press of Virginia,1984).

Do you need more proof about this clause, because I can do this for a very long time.

[Caveman Survival]

Umm ok... well I'm not gonna get into that (slavery) any further than it already has gone, which is off topic.

And again, constitution aside, this was a thread about capitalism vs socialism. I'm of the opinion that it better serves the people of a country to help and aid those within in order to strengthen the social structure of society. That's not saying freebies and handouts. I'm a strong proponent of workfare as long as it has limits and timeframes to build skills and opportunity. Watching the social structure fail serves no purpose to the goals of any nation, let alone help it maintain its dominance. If you do not have an educated and healthy population you have nothing, plain and simple.


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[helomech]

Umm ok... well I'm not gonna get into that (slavery) any further than it already has gone, which is off topic.

And again, constitution aside, this was a thread about capitalism vs socialism. I'm of the opinion that it better serves the people of a country to help and aid those within in order to strengthen the social structure of society. That's not saying freebies and handouts. I'm a strong proponent of workfare as long as it has limits and timeframes to build skills and opportunity. Watching the social structure fail serves no purpose to the goals of any nation, let alone help it maintain its dominance. If you do not have an educated and healthy population you have nothing, plain and simple.


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Slavery isn't off topic, it is directly related to socialism. Having someone work, and not paying them for that is a form of slavery. I am forced to work many many hours every year without getting paid for that. What do you call that?

Funny, because for most of our history, government did not pay for anything to individuals and we became the strongest nation in the world. Now with all the taxes and government handouts we are failing. I believe the exact opposite of what you just said. People become strong and smart by going after things. Survival of the fittest, and remove government restrictions. College for probably 85% of the people is a complete waste of money, time and resources. I make more than almost any of my friends, I work less time and have zero college education. You can't teach intelligence.

Look at Texas, vs Chicago, New York, or California. We have growth, jobs, and low taxes.


Limited government is directly related to capitalism. In a government like yours you are way closer to socialism than we are, we are closer to capitalism. Our government has gotten way out of hand, and it goes back decades. We need to restrain it, and cut about 90% of it.

[realist]

Okay look at California
Their University of California which is run by Janet Napolitano is under fire for hiding money, miss spending money and paying the administrators too much. All the while the little people get hammered with higher tuition and cuts.

Then you can look at my junior college district where the majority of the instructors are adjunct faculty. BTW that is a fancy word for part-time. Well they have directors for the various programs, i.e. three for public safety academies, fire academy and ems academy. Well we just found out all these people are no longer directors but as now classed as deans. What does that mean it is only right they get paid the same so we will give them all a 32% raise. But the adjunct faculty who took a pay cut of $10 per hour five years ago has yet to get it back.

It all gets down to haves and haves not. If you look at Communism and Socialism on paper they may look good to some but history shows it is always the elite who make out. This is gained by the people who are the workers and pay taxes.

[Vodin]

Caveman, if you have to buy a product. No choice. And are fined if you don't buy said product. What is your time spent on to make said money? Is it your to do with as you wish? Your time is indentured or slavery. This is for your own good. You may not agree with it but you will pay for it.

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Help can we start a compound? :) Just kidding. Me in CO and you in TX we will just wave in the general direction. Sadly I am owned by the government. I am working to remove the position.

[helomech]

Move to Texas

[Vodin]

Move to Texas


Texas is to Muggy for me. CO is high, dry and stocked with wild life...

[Sniper-T]

Canada is awesome too, except for a couple of our gun laws that is...

[helomech]

Texas is to Muggy for me. CO is high, dry and stocked with wild life...

Texas is also stocked with wildlife. Texas has pretty much every climate you want. It is only muggy in parts. Don't forget how big Texas is.

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Canada is awesome too, except for a couple of our gun laws that is...

And yall taxes, and cost of living.

[Vodin]

[QUOTE=helomech;93476]Texas is also stocked with wildlife. Texas has pretty much every climate you want. It is only muggy in parts. Don't forget how big Texas is.

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I am happiest at 6025ft above sea level... a little over a mile high.

[helomech]

[QUOTE=helomech;93476]Texas is also stocked with wildlife. Texas has pretty much every climate you want. It is only muggy in parts. Don't forget how big Texas is.

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I am happiest at 6025ft above sea level... a little over a mile high.

We got that too.
Guadalupe Peak. Guadalupe Peak, also known as Signal Peak, is the highest natural point in Texas, with an elevation of 8,751 feet (2,667 m) above sea level. It is located in Guadalupe Mountains National Park, and is part of the Guadalupe Mountains range in southeastern New Mexico and West Texas.

[realist]

Ok so you guys are telling me it's not hot and humid in your area?

[Kesephist]

I will make this easy. I don't believe government should subsidize anything, or give ANY money or aid to individuals. The federal government has very few powers that are given to it by the federal government, and that is all it should do. Nothing with education, nothing with healthcare, nothing with businesses (except to remove lots of regulation). People and private groups need to help each other out. Shriner's hospital, Texas children's hospital are perfect examples. Private organizations are 1000's of times better at doing things. I don't need the government stealing money out of my check, damn sure not at the levels yall have to pay.

A better example....

The Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation is a private charity that grants scholarships to the qualifying dependents of deceased military and federal law enforcement. 92 cents of every donated dollar go to the scholarships in question. (Just a note: All of the living Commandants of the USMC are members of MCLEF's Board of Directors, except one, and he's not allowed as he is still Commandant.

The tax dollar involuntarily taken out of your paycheck that goes to the Department of Health and Human Services has 88 cents taken out of it before it finally makes its way to some EBT debit card.

Such charities as MC-LEF are what EARN my seldom charity dollars. I don't have to be FORCED to give, as I do with Federal taxes. And I wouldn't feel so damn bad about that, if I could direct where it went. (snort) Fat chance.


Kesephist

[helomech]

Ok so you guys are telling me it's not hot and humid in your area?

Some areas, but not all of Texas is.

[realist]

Okay so help me out. I can't stand humidity or real hot climate. Where I live it may get to 100 one or two days a year. I don't have air conditioning. Any suggestions?

[helomech]

http://web2.airmail.net/danb1/texas_top_10_climate.htm

[Vodin]

realist, move to Colorado High and dry maybe beach front property after CA has the big one and slides under... Low population count, plenty of wild life and skiing (water/snow) It even snowed here 2 days ago. And it is sunny and 60F currently warmer tomorrow.

[realist]

Ok you have my interest. How are the taxes and gun laws??? I figure if I move it will be to a better place than where I am. That is so long as it doesn't take me dying. Oh wait I said a better place, I probably won't go there.

[Kesephist]

I could be wrong, but TX doesn't have a state income tax as far as I know of. From what I get of the Texas tourist trade that visit my store, the state gun laws are civilized... open carry, relatively high reciprocity with other states re: Concealed carry, basic 4473 for firearms purchases, that sort of thing. Magpul saw fit to relocate its HQ in Austin, after the jackass Hickenlooper essentially ran them out of Colorado with his 15 rd magazine limit.

If I get to travel again, I want to go to San Jacinto and visit the war memorial tower. Tallest of its kind in the world.

my 30 milligrams of Ag, (two cents)

Kesephist

[helomech]

I pay 400 dollars a year in property taxes on 64 acres with a 1000 sq foot house. Taxes vary by county greatly. And as said above, no state income tax. Our gun laws are pretty good, need a license to carry open or concealed, but other than that the laws are pretty lax. No wait periods, open carry of long guns is okay without a license. You can hunt with suppressors, can even hunt hogs from helicopters with full auto.

[bacpacker]

Well shit now Helo! How many of us on here have access to a Helo, besides you of course. :)

[Sniper-T]

That in itself is reason enough to visit Helo... ;)

[helomech]

I wish I had access to a helicopter. Well without hiring someone.

[Sniper-T]

start saving your pocket change...

http://www.innovatortech.ca/

[Gunfixr]

You know, the whole argument of capitalism vs socialism is an argument of apples vs oranges, right?
While socialism is a form of govt, capitalism is a form of society, govt is not part of it.
The United states is a constitutional Republic.
Yes, it allows for capitalism as how society's market functions.
The purpose of the US govt has above been shown. It is to defend the nation, as a whole, and defend the rights of its people.
It's purpose is not to run businesses, or provide welfare of any type.
Things like education and welfare, if any, are under the purview of the state's. In fact, all societal things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as being under the purview of the fedgov are left to the states.
The blanket federal income tax that we now pay is unconstitutional, only states may levy a blanket income tax.
It should be noted that before the blanket income tax started, infrastructure was as strong or stronger than it is now.
Taxes have grown as fedgov illegally sticks it's nose into more and more of the people's lives, and needs more and more money to fund these illegal programs.
Taking over things like education and healthcare have been done not for our benefit, but for more control, same as with food production.
Society is more pliant when you can control how sick they are, and what they eat, while your education programs make sure that the future generations are brought up to be good sheep, well indoctrinated.
Things like gun control will eventually not even matter.

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[realist]

Don't bring up blanket income taxes someone out here may hear you. California has enough and I don't want them to get any more ideas