Southern Invasion

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Hope I didn't post this when someone might have started a thread. Yesterday I went to pick up my daughter (hour and a half drive) during the course of this little jaunt I listened to my local talk radio station. This is what I heard, the little people made it to the southern boarder of Mexico, got turned around, they regrouped and stormed the gate....uh, chain link fence. So in they came, our southern neighbors let them through without incident. Now I'm not getting into the details, just general statements here. We know who funded it (soros), the timing is with the mid-term elections. They will be coming to our border soon.
Question number one. How many of the mexicans will join up with the "caravan" en route to our border? AND We know they will.
Number two. What's our (current administration) plan to stop this invasion? Cause that's what it is.
Number three. Will the POTUS send the military or not? It will take "thousands" of our best.
Number four. What will be to ROE (rules of engagement) when said caravan meets our border? I recommend non-lethal ammo. Bean bags and rubber bullets/projectiles/BB's.
Number five. Once they cross the border, will us Americans (border states) be protected?
I could make the list longer.

Comment: I/WE military folks swore an oath to protect and defend against ALL ENEMIES both foreign and domestic. I know we, whether retired, or having served less than 20 won't stand for it (I might be prone). Unless they had a sex change operation, got pacification training so as not to hurt the enemie's feelings. We have a very serious situation here ants. THIS IS NOT THE PREPS WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. I know in the past we went full tilt boogie survivalist mode during our last administration. But today is a different story. This is a no shit shurllock moment for our country. We (me and LadyHK) are and have been ready for such an ordeal. Being in the middle of moving was not in the plan right now.

REMEMBER! We don't, discuss things that are laid down in the SHTF site rule book, so tread lightly when responding. Suggestions and opinions we all have but stick with the site rules on this one. As the blood trickles down my lip from biting my tongue......be safe, be ready. I'll be gorilla glued to the situation. OUT!

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

To reiterate, TREAD LIGHTLY when responding to this post. Thank you.

[eagle326]

Hope I didn't post this when someone might have started a thread. Yesterday I went to pick up my daughter (hour and a half drive) during the course of this little jaunt I listened to my local talk radio station. This is what I heard, the little people made it to the southern boarder of Mexico, got turned around, they regrouped and stormed the gate....uh, chain link fence. So in they came, our southern neighbors let them through without incident. Now I'm not getting into the details, just general statements here. We know who funded it (soros), the timing is with the mid-term elections. They will be coming to our border soon.
Question number one. How many of the mexicans will join up with the "caravan" en route to our border? AND We know they will.
Number two. What's our (current administration) plan to stop this invasion? Cause that's what it is.
Number three. Will the POTUS send the military or not? It will take "thousands" of our best.
Number four.rojectiles/BB's. What will be to ROE (rules of engagement) when said caravan meets our border? I recommend non-lethal ammo. Bean bags and rubber bullets/p
Number five. Once they cross the border, will us Americans (border states) be protected?
I could make the list longer.

Comment: I/WE military folks swore an oath to protect and defend against ALL ENEMIES both foreign and domestic. I know we, whether retired, or having served less than 20 won't stand for it (I might be prone). Unless they had a sex change operation, got pacification training so as not to hurt the enemie's feelings. We have a very serious situation here ants. THIS IS NOT THE PREPS WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. I know in the past we went full tilt boogie survivalist mode during our last administration. But today is a different story. This is a no shit shurllock moment for our country. We (me and LadyHK) are and have been ready for such an ordeal. Being in the middle of moving was not in the plan right now.

REMEMBER! We don't, discuss things that are laid down in the SHTF site rule book, so tread lightly when responding. Suggestions and opinions we all have but stick with the site rules on this one. As the blood trickles down my lip from biting my tongue......be safe, be ready. I'll be gorilla glued to the situation. OUT!


How many of the mexicans will join up with the "caravan" en route to our border? AND We know they will.

1- Not just Mexicans ; Many middle easterners also . Thus multiplying their chances to sneak through because of work load. This is a planned invasion by Soros ; democratic leaders ; Deep State to torpedo the elections.

2- What's our (current administration) plan to stop this invasion? Cause that's what it is.

Military at border and stoppage of financial aid. That being said if Mexico doesn't stop them before border ; Trump's stance has been called . Either send troops and cut the money off and show them you don't bluff or do neither and risk losing your base come election time.

3- Will the POTUS send the military or not? It will take "thousands" of our best.

I've yet to see the man not back up his words with action. So I can see troops being sent unless those countries stop it before our border.

4- What will be to ROE (rules of engagement) when said caravan meets our border? I recommend non-lethal ammo. Bean bags and rubber bullets/ p

All of the above plus water ; tear gas ; sonic and micro wave weapons.

5- Once they cross the border, will us Americans (border states) be protected?
I could make the list longer.

Hopefully ; but then this looks like a futile attempt of a Bonsai maneuver when the enemy knows it's losing.

One's plans are tied to Murphy's law. Just when you think you're ahead of the game the rules and tactics change. Just like the majority of us you'll adapt and change as they do and plan for the next sequence of events just as you two did on active duty. That's all ; Over and out.

Run Low Drive On

[Kesephist]

"Question number one. How many of the mexicans will join up with the "caravan" en route to our border? AND We know they will."

I'd say equal to the size of the original caravan. And definitely tangos will be infiltrated. Whatever the media says the size is, 250% it, cuz the 4th is gonna lie to make it appear smaller.

"Number two. What's our (current administration) plan to stop this invasion? Cause that's what it is."

At present, and as has already been stated, money going away and troops.

"Number three. Will the POTUS send the military or not? It will take "thousands" of our best."

See #2.

"Number four. What will be to ROE (rules of engagement) when said caravan meets our border? I recommend non-lethal ammo. Bean bags and rubber bullets/projectiles/BB's."

As do I... this final time.

"Number five. Once they cross the border, will us Americans (border states) be protected?"

Yes.


Comment: For all of me I do NOT understand why the Border Patrol hans't had seconded to them a couple of flights of nonlethal rigged Predators out of Nellis/Creech years ago.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Concur with all inputs. Most of which I have heard and seen on the news of Trump's proposed actions. For all those who have ham radio and can monitor HF, now would be a good time to monitor the bands. Other than it's fuckin cold and windy outside, I won't be standing outside with a hand held. I haven't broke down my antennas yet for the move. Time to contact some of my sources within the military to get the pulse of our current plans within the ranks. More to follow on that one.

We all kinda went through this a few years ago. Had a lot of chatter about the exercise "Jade Helm", we did on the border states that people questioned. Not naming names but....Now does it seem relevant to you?

How fast will they mobilize? PDQ, a matter of days not weeks to be there. Just wondering what the barrier plan will be.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Just to wake the dead threads in the archives, search the below line to see our discussion. I cut and pasted the original post. Take it from there.
Realistic Military Training (RMT) JADE HELM 15 (15JUL-15SEP15) In your town?

Here's a little FYI for those of you who live in the following states, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado. It's also for everyone else to ponder..............

Instead of posting the power point presentation I'll cut and paste the meat of each slide. If you want the power point I'll post the link at the bottom along with another with a story from "Freedom Outpost's" website about the exercise. There are links from small towns in Texas with local news about their "views" on the event. I think you all will find this interesting. This to me is prep related, for those who live OP areas it would be some serious intell gathering ops for you. Have at it ANTs!

US Army Special Operations Command
Request to Conduct
Realistic Military Training (RMT)
JADE HELM 15

Purpose
The Commander of United States Army
Special Operation Command (USASOC)
seeks a written invitation and approval
from local officials to conduct Realistic
Military Training (RMT) within their
jurisdictions for joint military exercise,
JADE HELM 15 (JH15)

What is Realistic Military Training
• Realistic Military Training (RMT) is training conducted outside of
federally owned property. The RMT process is designed to ensure
proper coordination between DOD representatives and local and
regional authorities. The process includes the following
measures:
– Risk Assessment, Medical, and Communications Plans
– MOU, MOA, and Licensing agreements (training areas, staging
areas, role players)
– Legal Review
– ID of training, staging areas, role players, airfield, drop zones
(DZ) and Landing Zones (LZ) surveys
– Letters of Invitations obtained from local officials (Mayor,
County Commission)
– Coordination with local, state and federal law enforcement
– Public Affairs Review

What is JADE HELM
• JH is a challenging eight-week joint military and
interagency (IA) Unconventional Warfare (UW)
exercise conducted throughout Texas, New
Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and
Colorado.
• JH is a US Special Operations Command
(USSOCOM) sponsored exercise to improve the
Special Operations Forces' UW capability as part
of the National Security Strategy
• JH 15 will run from 15 July through 15 September
2015

Who and Where
• Participants:
– US Army Special Forces Command (Green Berets)
– US Navy SEALS
– US Air Force Special Operations Command
– USMC Marine Special Operations Command
– USMC Marine Expeditionary Units
– 82nd Airborne Division
– Interagency Partners
• Exercise Locations within Texas:
– Bastrop/Smithville, Big Springs, Caddo Lake, Caldwell, Christoval,
College Station, Dell City, Eldorado, Goliad, Junction, Leakey,
Menard, Mountain Home, San Angelo, San Antonio, and Victoria

Page 6 Map designates states which are considered
Red: Hostile
Blue: Permissive
Brown: Uncertain (Leaning Hostile)
Light Blue: Uncertain (Leaning Friendly)

Why Texas
• The United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM)
has conducted numerous exercises in Texas, because Texans are
historically supportive of efforts to prepare our soldiers, airmen,
marines and sailors to fight the enemies of the United States.
• To hone advanced skills, the military and Interagency require large
areas of undeveloped land with low population densities with
access to towns. The proposed areas offer the conditions
conducive to quality training because of real obstacles to
challenge Joint and IA personnel during planning and execution of
their tasks. These challenges include:
– Operating outside the normal support mechanisms
– Adapting to unfamiliar terrain, social and economic conditions
– Operating in and around communities where anything out the
ordinary will be spotted and reported (Locals are the first to
notice something out of place)
– The opportunity to work with civilians to gain their trust and an
understanding of the issues

JH Impact on the Area
• Over 1,200 service members will participate in JADE HELM
15 throughout Texas to include the training unit, operational
support personnel, and opposing force personnel.
• Anticipate minimal physical impact on given area due to the
large area of operations
• Funding identified for this portion of the exercise will go
straight into the economy in the way of supplies, food, fuel,
lodging, and services for exercise participants
• Estimated economic impact of JADE HELM is approximately
$150,000.00 into the local economy

What to Expect
• Increased military presence
– Increased aircraft in the area at night
– May receive noise complaints
– Some individuals may conduct suspicious activities
designed to prepare them for complex environments
overseas
– Local LEO's are fully aware of the exercise
– Local footprint will be 60-65 personnel
– Personnel may be carrying weapons with blank ammo
– Some participants will be wearing civilian attire and driving
civilian vehicles

Safety Measures
• Safety for civilians and exercise participants is our number one
priority
– Daily communications between DOD and LEA
– Medics located with each element
– Coordination with Life Flight and local medical facilities
– Exercise Support Team with communications
– Clear marking of exercise participants / Use of key words to determine
exercise participation
– Thorough Risk Mitigation Assessment
– Coordination with local residents (verbal and written)
– Fire conditions reviewed prior to each scenario
– Fire extinguisher and other equipment located at each site
– Public Affairs Office will make public announcement regarding exercise

Questions / Concerns??????


UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO

UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO

US Army Special Operations Command

Mr. Thomas Mead
JADE HELM Operations
Planner/MSEL
WK: 910-396-9831/6316
Cell: 910-391-1137
e-mail: thomas.m.mead.ctr@soc.mil
Thomas.mead@iceinc.us.com
Mr. Francisco Oquendo Jr
JADE HELM Operations Planner
WK: 910 396-9831/6316
Cell: 910 916-0821
e-mail:
oquendo.francisco.ctr@soc.mil
Francisco.oquendo@iceinc.us.com

LINKS:
Power point
https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/25...ew_mode=scroll

Article
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/03/ja...es-the-proof/#!

[Kesephist]

Interesting datum... apparantly this 'trudging up to the border' crap is just that, crap. One of the talkshows down here reported that the caravan folks are being transported by van and truck, and trotted out on foot and looking pitiable only for the cameras.


Smells to high heaven of Soros.

[gm2]

Interesting datum... apparantly this 'trudging up to the border' crap is just that, crap. One of the talkshows down here reported that the caravan folks are being transported by van and truck, and trotted out on foot and looking pitiable only for the cameras.


Smells to high heaven of Soros.Hah! Exactly what I told my coworker this morning.

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[Sniper-T]

You know... it's actually pathetic, how intent my 'friends' are at protecting their Southern border coming in, but allowing their trash to freeflow North. *sigh*

[Illini Warrior]

Interesting datum... apparantly this 'trudging up to the border' crap is just that, crap. One of the talkshows down here reported that the caravan folks are being transported by van and truck, and trotted out on foot and looking pitiable only for the cameras.


Smells to high heaven of Soros.



they are showing semi trucks loading up - flatbed fulls racing each other north to dump and reload >>>> somebody is paying a good buck $$$$ for these trucks - looks like they are contracted for the job ....

[helomech]

You know... it's actually pathetic, how intent my 'friends' are at protecting their Southern border coming in, but allowing their trash to freeflow North. *sigh*

We try to send them south, but they don't want to go, they want your perfect model of a free society.

[bacpacker]

I just found this on another site. I haven't yet found confirmation.

https://operationdisclosure.blogspot.com/2018/10/president-trump-orders-military.html

[Sniper-T]

Yeah... but we don't want them.. Contrary to what our leader (Turd-boy) may say...

[Kesephist]

Your socialists want the illegals for the same reasons our socialists want them... to USE them.

votes, cheap labor, media pity partys... allee samee.

[Gunfixr]

I think i'm not gonna say my opinion on this.

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[Socalman]

If it comes that the military has to open fire to protect our border, something I would support, how do you think that will play with some of the uber-liberals and illegals already here?

GET READY! We really could see the SHTF!

[bacpacker]

They wouldn't like it and would pitch a major fit over it. OTOH, none of them will be opening their home or wallet to pay for none of them either, but they will expect the working people to. I say send the libs down to hold the line in between the illegals and the military.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

I just found this on another site. I haven't yet found confirmation.

https://operationdisclosure.blogspot.com/2018/10/president-trump-orders-military.html

That thread has gotten filled with a bunch of whackos with their little posts. Keyboard warriors have gone bat shit. But that's what we support and defend the constitution and all enemies foreign and domestic right? We are in for a shit storm here in the next couple of weeks. Thanks for the link brother (not being sarcastic) but all intell is good intell. This is going to be interesting. The ol rat has been detained elsewhere with the new homestead. So I'm trying to catch up now.

- - - Updated - - -

Watch, wait, and prepare. My crystal ball as usual only shows the palm of my hand. You can't predict the future.

[bacpacker]

From what I've ran across the last day or so, the link I shared was faulty. The 82nd apparently has not been sent to Texas. at least not at this point.
Sorry for the faulty info.

[eagle326]

From what I've ran across the last day or so, the link I shared was faulty. The 82nd apparently has not been sent to Texas. at least not at this point.
Sorry for the faulty info.

No deployment yet son. GOD I wish I was still in. :p

[eagle326]

That thread has gotten filled with a bunch of whackos with their little posts. Keyboard warriors have gone bat shit. But that's what we support and defend the constitution and all enemies foreign and domestic right? We are in for a shit storm here in the next couple of weeks. Thanks for the link brother (not being sarcastic) but all intell is good intell. This is going to be interesting. The ol rat has been detained elsewhere with the new homestead. So I'm trying to catch up now.

- - - Updated - - -

Watch, wait, and prepare. My crystal ball as usual only shows the palm of my hand. You can't predict the future.

True Rat ; the next couple of weeks will tell the story. How ever it shakes out I pray we all come out victorious in the end. Many people I know don't believe I'm a man of peace but in reality I am. My truth in speaking may be harsh at times but I'm only speaking the truth as known by me. We are humans and bleed red. One human race ; not tribes defined by color or belief. No we are to be uplifting to our brothers and sisters and together builders of a free and prosperous world.

Yet there are those among us born to the dark side who believe that only they know the true path for man and everyone else must be subjugated to their mindset.
Now I could do many things as this confrontation grows but I'll just do as I always have and relax whether sitting on on of my porches or in my shop and at the same time pray that they don't challenge my peace.
I'm not a bad ass but I've been in the rodeo before so nothing new.

Your last sentence is true. I neither can predict the future. I let my adversary believe they can and then hopefully show them just how wrong they were.

Run Low Drive On

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Just go through reading this and out the door again. more to follow, out!

[orangetom1999]

Saw on one of the posts page 1 of this thread...San Angelo, Texas. There is a not so used Air Force Base in San Angelo. Goodfellows AFB. I believe it is a sort of depot repair place..and reserve base.

My parents would often stay there with their Recreational Vehicle in the base park. They stayed there for over a year while I took care of their home here and forwarded their mail to their San Angelo address.

This base is just "Not Used" by major troops but sufficient for the purposes intended. Particularly as a forward drone base of operations. A staging location.

My instincts tell me satellite and drone technology is being used to monitor what is going on with this caravan as it is reaching proportions of a National Security Event.

Someone out here knows much more than they are want to let the public know.
Probably for good reason.


As to the media ...they are planning to have a field day with this event. I don't trust them with anything. I've known this about the media for over 30 years now....that they were jerking America and Americans off...Herding them...via tabloid news.
Shortwave listening taught me this about our media ....long before I got my Ham License.

Way back then some of us began calling CNN......Chicken Noodle News.
This has long ago been confirmed about CNN by CNN themselves.
And the other networks today are in the same boat.

I am also of late become skeptical of The Drudge Report....they have changed their tenor and it is become noticeable.



Even our leadership today has themselves become tabloid in like manner to the media....and also Hollywood...they are all three in bed together working against the American People to properly "Herd" us.


I'll not speak for the other members here...but the work I have done over the years does not lend itself to becoming and or functioning as a Drama Queen. I have no use for that kind of thinking or conduct.

I get insulted when I detect someone trying to grab and corral me by my emotions. I've had way to often to discipline my emotions to get my work done or hurt myself or those around me. I do not change my thinking because I come home or turn on the television.
Watching and listening to the news has become like reading the Tabloids going through the check out stands and our leadership is becoming a Xerox copy of this nonsense for easy votes.


This is what is planned for this country in the future....bringing these people in for easy votes on the public tit....by which we will be made to pay for our own demise.

We will be required to take second third and fourth place in our own country...exactly what is happening in Europe and England.



Do not be surprised if the Left ..if they gain power...try to pass legislation to force people to open their doors to house these Illegals....

Contrary to Amendment 3..

This will be the end of Private Property....exactly what is happening in Europe.

Ishmaelte = Bondage...involuntary servitude...in more ways than one...for someone's votes and power.


My non Ishmaelite .02,

Orangetom

[Illini Warrior]

From what I've ran across the last day or so, the link I shared was faulty. The 82nd apparently has not been sent to Texas. at least not at this point.
Sorry for the faulty info.


at this point 800 troops from logistics are at the border setting up tenting & support ...

supposedly 1,000 military MPs on 3 different bases have been activated for deployment to the border ....

all kinds of reinforcement is being done in that border area that is the proposed "breaching area " - haven't heard if that is civilian contractors or if the Army Corp of Engineers are involved ....

[orangetom1999]

Hmmmm.......my mind running along rabid trails on this.


I am thinking along the lines that forward deployed bases are being set up..to temporarily house troops to aid in the border security.

Am thinking that troops are going to be temporarily assigned to these stateside forward deployments along the border.

That this is going to be a regular deployment for certain groups.


In like manner to when I was assigned to Langley AFB, in Hampton, Virginia for the Air Force. It was a regular deployment albeit temporary duty of some 60 days....to RAF Mildenhall, England. Different bases from around the USA were deployed with their C130 aircraft and rotated on a schedule to RAF Mildenhall, England to support ongoing NATO operations.

There was also a group from Pope AFB in Fayetteville, North Carolina...who rotated for 60 days..another from Little Rock AFB, in Jacksonville, Arkansas....and I don't recall the other groups..but it was a regular rotation.


Thinking the same will apply here. And if this becomes regular on going duty ..more permanent housing and or such will be located or built. You can bet that someone has already been assigned or researching, if needed, more permanent accommodations.

But overall...thinking that groups will be rotated for duty at the border....approximately some 60 day tours or so...whatever they decide on as a schedule.


Now if the Democrats..the left ...win big in the mid term elections they will try to throw stones or sticks in the wheels/spokes of this deployment. Anything to free up the votes they need to keep and maintain power and control even if it means at the expense of the American People....ie...herding, censoring, labeling, or ignoring the American people.


We are living in interesting times. More and more two legged wildlife trying to take over and using/misusing the political system to politically/socially "Herd" Americans.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Not an Ishmaelite

[Kesephist]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-28/mattis-military-actively-moving-equipment-southern-border

Dammit dammit DAMN IT!

I have served. I do not want to see one fellow soldier, airman, sailor, marine, or coastguardsman in harms way for one second longer than is absolutely needful to get the mission done, and wish as few casualties as possible.


The big new worry I have is if these folks have to deploy in California... there, they WILL be fighting a TWO FRONT ENGAGEMENT. I am cursed with enough imagination to contemplate Antifa and other fifth column snowflakes interfering with troop supplies, harassing and just plain mixing it up with these troops.

After the first punch, the first thrown rock... I fear it will be... MUST be... No longer American versus American, but rather American versus Californian, the latter no longer a member of our republic.

[Sniper-T]

It will be interesting for sure... My concern is that America keeps focusing on the trash coming in... and not what's been in for however long and moving out... You're focused on this 'invasion' but how many are slipping in while your attention is drawn elsewhere.

Why, do you keep letting illegals leave (To Canada) unmolested? They have infiltrated and abused your country for how long... now you're just saying.. "go... go away" we won't bother you. How many of these 'invaders' are just looking for passage through america to Canada? Are you going to continue to wipe your hands and pass this vermin along like the 10's of thousands before them?

Fuck that! if you're going to close your borders to invaders... close them to the fleers too! They are your vermin. Deal with them!!!

[helomech]

It will be interesting for sure... My concern is that America keeps focusing on the trash coming in... and not what's been in for however long and moving out... You're focused on this 'invasion' but how many are slipping in while your attention is drawn elsewhere.

Why, do you keep letting illegals leave (To Canada) unmolested? They have infiltrated and abused your country for how long... now you're just saying.. "go... go away" we won't bother you. How many of these 'invaders' are just looking for passage through america to Canada? Are you going to continue to wipe your hands and pass this vermin along like the 10's of thousands before them?

Fuck that! if you're going to close your borders to invaders... close them to the fleers too! They are your vermin. Deal with them!!!

If I was allowed to deal with them, our problem would end.

[Kesephist]

If I was allowed to deal with them, our problem would end.

Shoving them into containers, the containers into container ships, and marooning them on bits of micronesia.

Or piss off mexico and cuba by randomly taking mothballed troopships loading em full of folks, and doing a reverse Marieltos at random points on their coasts.

But essentially helo is right.

[helomech]

Trump could easily shut off all commercial vehicles from crossing the border, and cut all aid and treaties with Mexico if they didn't stop all this illegal immigration. Then if that don't work, carpet bomb the freaking border.

[Kesephist]

OK,


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-31/texas-border-residents-warned-armed-civilians-confronting-caravan-trump-says

do they not get the notion DON"T MESS WITH TEXAS?

[orangetom1999]

OK,


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-31/texas-border-residents-warned-armed-civilians-confronting-caravan-trump-says

do they not get the notion DON"T MESS WITH TEXAS?


Yeah...I worked on the USS Texas...a Virginia Class fast attack Nuclear Submarine built here in Virginia.


That is exactly what was on the banner when she was launched..."Don't mess with Texas."

Orangetom

Not an Ishmaelite

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

I'd love to comment right now but, I'm likin the way things are goin....down south. I got an "itch " about this, just can't stop scratchin. .

[Kesephist]

orangetom1999: "Yeah...I worked on the USS Texas...a Virginia Class fast attack Nuclear Submarine built here in Virginia.


That is exactly what was on the banner when she was launched..."Don't mess with Texas." "

The ship's crest also bears that motto, and a gold version of the Texas Rangers' badge.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/USS_Texas_SSN-775_Crest.png/150px-USS_Texas_SSN-775_Crest.png


From all accounts, the crews are well up to backing up the motto.


Brownwater Riverrat 13: "I'd love to comment right now but, I'm likin the way things are goin....down south. I got an "itch " about this, just can't stop scratchin. . "

Which, tis to be hoped, is translated into getting rid of the bad 'uns, and turning back the stupid and gullible ones, with as low casualties on our side as possible. I faintly care about those who are getting used and abused as de-facto photo-op props and human shields, and not at all about the users, or the media that might be covering this mess.

On this whole damn thing, I must defer to one long dead and much greater than me...

"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.

-Theodore Roosevelt

These caravans are not immigrants, they are freeloaders looking for someplace else to den up.

And there is a percentage of the LEGAL immigrants who are not measuring up to the great-hearted Teddy's above-mentioned terms.

Not only do we need to be repelling these free-room-and-boarders, but they need culling out of the country, and the businesses who willfully and knowingly use their labor need penalties levied on them.

If that makes me sound "America First" -like, I call out "Amen."

Kesephist

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Things are changin down there, I hear talk of men volunteering/joining the ranks down there to assist, our troops on the front line. Still trying to keep eyes and ears open on this one. More to follow I'm sure.

[Socalman]

While there are certainly drug dealers, gang members, free-loaders and lazy-ass folks in the caravan, there may indeed a few people who want to become US citizens. However, we can not just allow everyone to come in. They must be stopped!

Keep in mind that the last time United States territory was invaded was in 1942 by the Japanese in Alaska with about 500 troops, that later grew to a force of about 2,300 troops. We are hearing size estimates in this caravan of 14,000!Of those 14,000 I wonder how many might be Al Qaeda or Taliban, trying to sneak in?

[Sniper-T]

many of us are with you.. do the right thing, eradicate the vermin.

[Domeguy]

Unfortunately for President Trump, it’s a no win situation. Let them in, and we open up so many problems it’s impossible to imagine. If he orders troops to stop them, I doubt they will just stop and turnaround. They will most probably force our troops to open fire, and the tv networks would just love to see and show a U.S. soldier shoot an unarmed woman with a child on her hip. Either way, President Trump can’t look good, no matter what needs to be done.

[Kesephist]

That being the case, he has nothing to lose.

Issue 10 round mags of rubber bullets... Load them first. After that... oh, well.

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Well, I had to laugh when I heard about the tear gas. I think it's still a touch and go situation with the border. We still have a long road ahead with this border shit. Not much to update as I've been only catching stuff on the news and radio.

[Illini Warrior]

Well, I had to laugh when I heard about the tear gas. I think it's still a touch and go situation with the border. We still have a long road ahead with this border shit. Not much to update as I've been only catching stuff on the news and radio.


everybody was ready for a huge march on the border - Mexico is forcing a camp move farther away from the border - last eazy commute to the wall ....

I expected all kinds of violence - catapult rock attacks - slingshots - car ramming - fire bombs - ect ect >>>> they need more tear gas response and rubber bullets for the MSM jerks ....

time is also growing short - couple of weeks until Christmas - the whole thing is busting up and collapsing >>>> all kinds of self deporting - some of the ones stupid enough to believe the northbound BS are wise enough to get on a bus home ...

the convo between Prez Trump and the dictator of Mexico yesterday must have been fun ....

[Brownwater Riverrat 13]

Well after reading an article this morning about Mexico's new prez, this guy might be wortha shit. As usual time will tell. Hell he could be just like the last guy, or like our politicians. Promise everything, get elected and then do what you want, the opposite. Man I'm just trying to get/keep my shit together, get things fixed and get moved before something else happens. Have to be optimistic I guess, either way it's still "our" country and we must take care of it if and when the situation arises, "eh?" (Canadian translation)

[orangetom1999]

I feel for those people living in Tijuana...they do not want them there as well. A huge strain on resources.

Someone did a smart thing in steering that caravan to the border at Tijuana...instead of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

I suspect that many of the other locations in the other states have even fewer resources than Tijuana.


Either way this is a bad situation for the people in the caravan as well as us here in America.

Americans are getting tired of both political parties trying to promote this stuff with the expectation that the American Taxpayer totally subsidize it to the point that these people get taken care of better than the American Taxpayer.

I suspect that many European and English taxpayers are in the same boat but have fewer outlets by which to vent their views than we here in America....so regulated and controlled is both their internet and MSM.
I also believe that is precisely what is planned for here in America ....more controlled and regulated internet and MSM.
Ishmaelites run amok.


I do not trust the MSM here in America on this at all.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

[Illini Warrior]

the caravan is starting to bust up >>>> the buses going south will soon be full - the gullible fools that got talked into this BS are finally facing facts - there's no red carpet into the US ...


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/caravan-migrants-back-down-from-storming-border-say-they-were-lied-to-by-leaders-about-entering-us-video/

[Kesephist]

"The caravan is starting to bust up >>>> the buses going south will soon be full - the gullible fools that got talked into this BS are finally facing facts - there's no red carpet into the US ..."

Nor should there be.

And if that makes me sound cold, amen... "So be it."

[Illini Warrior]

"The caravan is starting to bust up >>>> the buses going south will soon be full - the gullible fools that got talked into this BS are finally facing facts - there's no red carpet into the US ..."

Nor should there be.

And if that makes me sound cold, amen... "So be it."



since before the 2016 elections the immigration change crowd was at 60-75% >>>> it hasn't got any better - there's only a couple out of 10 that are shouting to open those gates and allow those poor people in ....

the DNC is finally getting the message >>> Shumer and Pelosi have an appointment this week with Prez Trump about The Wall - $1.5B is budgeted and the Prez wants $5B ... maybe $3B for this year ???????????

[Illini Warrior]

I feel for those people living in Tijuana...they do not want them there as well. A huge strain on resources.

Someone did a smart thing in steering that caravan to the border at Tijuana...instead of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

I suspect that many of the other locations in the other states have even fewer resources than Tijuana.


Either way this is a bad situation for the people in the caravan as well as us here in America.

Americans are getting tired of both political parties trying to promote this stuff with the expectation that the American Taxpayer totally subsidize it to the point that these people get taken care of better than the American Taxpayer.

I suspect that many European and English taxpayers are in the same boat but have fewer outlets by which to vent their views than we here in America....so regulated and controlled is both their internet and MSM.
I also believe that is precisely what is planned for here in America ....more controlled and regulated internet and MSM.
Ishmaelites run amok.


I do not trust the MSM here in America on this at all.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom



the caravan doubled the distance crossing Mexico - instead of taking the Gulf route to Texas - because they wanted to use CA The Sanctuary State in their blackmailing scheme >>>> they didn't think Prez Trump would take such a severe stance and thought the CA pussies would tear the wall down for them - somebody thought WRONG and screwed up big time ....

the CA part of the border has very few civilian militia groups backing up the Border Patrol - fewer NG troops also >>>>> the TX & AZ section is covered heavy and people are ready to shoot ....