EMP only, or EMP and ????

[slowz1k]

I'm sitting a few miles from one of the largest tank farms in the Eastern US. I do believe that Greensboro could be percieved as a high value target. To make matters more interesting, most of the tanks are on the flight path for air traffic in and out of Piedmont Triad Int Airport.
I tend to think Terrorist would go for heavily populated targets rather than strategic, or supply targets. Killing inocents seems to be their main objective.
I live well outside of the blast wave area, but fallout would depend greatly on the wind.
We have a basement, that could be hardened a bit to protect us from the fallout and a bunch of KIO3 tablets for the imediate family. A gieger counter would be nice to have.
Fun fact... The tank that I marked with an X caught fire a few years ago. The heat was so great that it melted the aluminum traffic signs over the bridge marked with three red spots.

[Kesephist]

Theoretically, a high performance business jet (say, a G-500) could carry a nuclear device up to an altitude of around 60-65,000 feet (the G-500 is certified to 51k normally). At that altitude, over say Lewisburg, PA, an EMP would have a range of 312 miles radius, or all of New York, Washington DC, Toronto and Ottawa, Canada, Norfolk, VA, etc.

A TOT attack with two planes (one over PA and one over (say) Reno, NV would just about cripple the US infrastructure, banking, etc.

Given that data, I'd say overkill would have the badguys using four planes, the other two over Rapid City, SD and Las Cruces, NM. Ironic that one the devices that would probably eliminate nuclear war would be used near where it was first developed.

A continent sized exchange ala "The Day After" will reduce the human condition in the first 24 hours to a minority, not a complete extinction. Both the best and the worst for survival will be around ( high powered types in Greenbriar-like redoubts, surrounded by physically fit protectors ).

In my patch we have a military base, to be sure, but I doubt given its location it'd be targeted. If it was, when it gets hit I'll be hip-deep in crater glass within seconds.

(Elephant hips.)

[Vodin]

If it comes to that I have knowledge on the locations of some Titan Silos. Used to play laser tag in them as kids.

[ElevenBravo]

After one of the podcast I listened to by Jack Spirco with a guest specialist, I feel a lot better about an EMP attack.. I dont have a link to it, nor can I regurgitate the words but the end impression is.. 99% unlikely.

I still dont lean heavily on electronics, and am glad my Coleman lantern & stove, my AK & M&P, and my reloading press... are all EMP proof! :-)

Other things that are EMP proof:
Matches
Sleeping Bag
My glassess
Manual wood splitter
Axe
Firewood
Dutch Oven


The list goes on and on, but you get the idea... the things you REALLY need to survive are already EMP proof. All the electronic stuff, are luxuries IMHO. I still have 2 ways, flash lights, generator, etc.. but I have a plan for NOT having them.

EB

[Illini Warrior]

the countries with only a small nuk inventory would attempt to smuggle the devices into the country and then into major city targets .... North Korea for example has this capability totally .... they haven't been able to miniturize the warheads enough for a missile .... with Obammy allowing the south border to remain totally open this terrorist type attack would be a snap ....

you need to remember that the big guys, with a first strike capability, are just waiting for a slip up .... if China or Russia were aware of a North Korea attack they could be primed & ready .... catch an empty command chair and hit the landbased ICBMs - you win .... the sub launch is survivable .... both China & Russia are heavy in civil defense for the population

[ElevenBravo]

This is a good podcast..
http://www.revolutionfancast.com/012...rvival-expert/
Talks of EMP.

Ill try to find the one of Jacks talking about EMP.

EB

[Domeguy]

This is a good podcast..
http://www.revolutionfancast.com/012...rvival-expert/
Talks of EMP.

Ill try to find the one of Jacks talking about EMP.

EB

I agree with a lot of what you say in your earlier post about many things already EMP proof, but I have to disagree about the probability being 99% against it happening. It is a sure 100% chance of happening.....from our own sun. It's only a matter of when, 1000 years from now, or tomorrow just after 12:43 PM.

[ElevenBravo]

Dome,
I side with you on the sun EMP, but Im not so much worried about an EMP attack.

Good for you to mention natural EMP, it didnt cross my mind when I posted.

EB

[bacpacker]

The solar EMP worries me much more the a Nuc. It will be mostly world wide.

Nuc blast are surviveable, given enough distance from the blast. EMP will not leave a huge amount of radiation and minimal fallout. Ground burst will cause huge fallout and will spread much more widely.

If you are concerned, I would recommend getting an alpha and a beta/gamma detector. Scan the areas leading outside and do a grid type search and keep notes of what it where for clean or dirty areas. Be sure and survey your self, shoes and hands in particular. Keep supplies of Tyvek shoe covers and overalls, nitrile gloves, maybe head cover and full face respirator if you expect to be close to Ground Zero. It will be no fun for years, but is survivable.

[Domeguy]

I prep for natural disasters more than man made disasters. And the highest natural disaster I prep for is a sun induced EMP.