I think the "scavenging for supplies" thread brought out quite a lot of great ideas, but also some strong opinions. I brought up the idea of scavenging from religious institutions. Some of you thought it was fair game, while others thought it was crossing a bad line. So, I ask you what is off limits in your thoughts as a prepper, and at what point would you be crossing over to the dark side? How far is too far, or is everything fair game as far as you are concerned?
day 1 - maintain hidey-hole
day 3 - stay outa my way!
day 5 - hide up
day 9 - pickin' thru the ashes
day 12 - no rules, people are made of meat... and god help them if they are messing with my peas...
day 18 - I told you, punk, don't fuck with my peas!
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shit digresses quickly after one fucks with my peas!
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What ever is necessary for survival, except i would not harm a INNOCENT person to survive.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes DUTY!" - Thomas Jefferson
Originally Posted by helomech
"INNOCENT person" goes to fair game when he defends his property against someone like you "salvaging"
after the true innocent people - that can't defend themselves - die off because they were "salvaged" out of existence .... there'll only be the "salvaging" people and the people with morals & ethics prepared to live and DEFEND themselves .....
^^Pretty much this.
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When it comes to scavenging I agree it has been abandoned so it is free game. I think the big problem is just what this SHTF situation is. If the population is pretty much what it is today then things will go fast. If on the other hand there was something like a CME or EMP that would isolate things so the general population will not be on the move in their vehicles.
For pretty much all my life I have hunted to bad guys so I have a pretty good read on people. It is for this reason my times I do not play well with others. I am very choosey who I associate with and this select group of people is who I will depend upon. We all work well together and there is a bond of trust we have which in problem times will aid our survival. Family as well as friends are all self-sufficient in one way or other. However supplies will eventually run out and things will have to be replaced. I live in an area where the growing season is long, we can get two or three crops, no snow. Livestock is plentiful, yes I know people will want to protect theirs, we have access to a large cattle ranch. The big thing is living in rural areas it is the others coming into our area we worry about.
So where would people scavenge? I would think it would be the cities rather than the rural area. This would be for things other than food because I would think food would go really quick in the cities, so this would be the other supplies. It’s funny since it would be the city people who would be looking outward for their supplies.
If it is predictable then it is preventable....... Gordon Graham
So if it is predictable and preventable then you better prepare.
Note to self....don't fuck with Snipers peas!
Each will have their own Rubicon. Bear in mind that, once they cross it, essentially they become the equivalent of those that caused the S to HTF in the first place.
Mental preparation, or ethical?
So far Helo, Illi, and Keep all three make good and valid points. Do what you have to but don't go too far. But what is too far. How do you define an "innocent". Just because the are good today because the have a full belly doesn't mean in 5 days time they might not think twice about ripping out your throat just to get your three cans of peas. At what point does the moral delema come into play? Does anyone of us civilians really know what we are capable of. And personally speaking here to any military members, as a civilian I have no idea what might have happened in your past in any conflict you may have been involved in, and I am in no way critizing any thing you may have had to do to survive. In my opinion any military member is a true "American Hero" and should never be questioned about their past. But for those of us who have never seen the field of battle, I don't think it's fair to point fingers in ANY direction until we ourselves have truly made a mental decision as to how far we are willing to go to survive. And going beyond that, how far are you willing to go to protect you wife, husband, family. Remember just because you are passionate about protecting yourself and family, your neighbor who you were close to, had BBQs with, shared birthdays, events, good times with, is just as equally passionate about saving his family. Just because we have prepped, and even though we try to teach them, they don't always listen, and will want our peas...and if nothing else is learned here today...don't fuck with another mans peas...you won't like what you get!
You are assuming I would steal from someone. Salvaging means the person is gone or dead. I would not take something from someone unless they tried to take from me first.
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During a real shtf even anyone caught on my property will be dealt with. I will let you figure out what that means. Now away from my house I will not steal or kill from good people to survive. As far as knowing who is good and who is bad, well I will have to trust my gut.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes DUTY!" - Thomas Jefferson
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