Clotting Agents

[jamesneuen]

I appreciate your assumption that I have no idea how to use clotting agents. I have however already attended first responder, emergency combat medic and advanced trauma classes. They cover Quikclot in gauze form.

My original post was to see if anyone knew what the different type was called. Answered=Celox.

Afterwards it continued in the removal of it and how in depth you needed to be. This is a SHTF forum. I don't count on having any medical assistance for removal. Thus the classes and digging for information. I want someone who has REAL world experience with it. Hearing what everyone says about it is nice but unless it's been used we personally have no idea. I have had to use Quikclot personally and the removal almost made me wish I had never used it. That's why I am looking at alternatives.

I disagree with your statement about never using the granules. Granule form with these is as effective if not more than the gauze due to the ability to insert it into a wound without causing increased trauma. The reason it was discontinued with Quikclot is because of the thermobaric effect and wind blowing it in soldier's eyes due to carelessness/needed speed.

[bourneshooter]

I appreciate your assumption that I have no idea how to use clotting agents. I have however already attended first responder, emergency combat medic and advanced trauma classes. They cover Quikclot in gauze form.

My original post was to see if anyone knew what the different type was called. Answered=Celox.

Afterwards it continued in the removal of it and how in depth you needed to be. This is a SHTF forum. I don't count on having any medical assistance for removal. Thus the classes and digging for information. I want someone who has REAL world experience with it. Hearing what everyone says about it is nice but unless it's been used we personally have no idea. I have had to use Quikclot personally and the removal almost made me wish I had never used it. That's why I am looking at alternatives.

I disagree with your statement about never using the granules. Granule form with these is as effective if not more than the gauze due to the ability to insert it into a wound without causing increased trauma. The reason it was discontinued with Quikclot is because of the thermobaric effect and wind blowing it in soldier's eyes due to carelessness/needed speed.

When i went through the TCCC course the first time a few years ago it was explained why granules were ditched, as well as the thermobaric version of CQ. They explained this by showing the history. First someone observed how pouring instant mashed potatoes into something would quickly soak up the blood and expand. This helped accelerate clotting. Then Quick Clots thermobaric effect granules went into use. During this use, it went blowing all over getting in eyes causing issues. The long term negative of this was when people who had the granules poured in a wound had blood clots as a result of it getting in the blood stream and clotting arteries. Hence the impregnated gauze that is the only way approved by the CoTCCC currently.

When the thermobaric effects of old QuicClot were complained about, Celox's non thermobaric product gained ground. Now both companies and North American Rescue sell Hemostatic infused gauze that is non thermobaric.

I personally do not have any granules, nor do I recommend it since my training and instructors in TCCC have all made it clear the negatives to using it.

Happy to hear you are trained in your listed classes. Since I didn't see anything in your original post I threw that training line out, like I do whenever replying to medical questions.